Posted on 03/15/2008 10:17:55 AM PDT by big'ol_freeper
More than once during these talks I referred to Luther and what always occurred to me as his destructive influence. I pointed out that even in such an admirable book as Rohan Butler's “The Roots of National Socialism” the spiritual origins of Nazism and Luther's influence had not been given the necessary importance. Then I was asked if I would be prepared to elaborate to them—about a dozen of the very senior boys, that is—my own views on Luther and Lutheranism. I agreed—with the proviso that they would be my own views and nothing else. Admittedly, I had read more on Luther and about Luther than on most other subjects. But I wanted to make it quite clear that I would not speak to them with the voice of a great authority, but would merely give them my own interpretation. I told them, moreover, that I should try to prove how dangerous it is to accept legends; and that the picture I had of Luther and his influence was thoroughly contradictory of the customary Luther of the legend.
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I really wish that we Christians would spend more time on what we have in common, rather then what we disagree on. But I guess on FR that is just Pollyannaish.
“who is more culpable?
A man who faithfully took vows as a youth 400 years ago to follow Christ as a priest, or a man who ... joined Hitler’s Youth Movement at the time it was happening?”
...And in the same line...Who represents Christ’s Church more fully...Peter, the Apostles and the succession of His Church and His proclamation to protect it....or one German man’s obviously flawed personal interpretation of Christ’s Church many many many hundreds of years later?
Amen and amen, Pastor. For those with eyes to see.
Wow - I'm going to archive that. Useful information there. DrEck and Alex, here's some more info for y'all. I'll be sure to repost it after you "forget" you saw it.
Don’t know if you’re interested in reading, much less obeying, Holy Scripture, but if so please allow me to commend both to your attention and to your meditation Ephesians 4:29.
If you don’t know The Gospel it’s okay to say so.
He was writing about a Merchant of VENICE.
Venice, is, of course, a town in Louisiana.
That is one centralized hierarchy I will submit to.
“Ask yourself if your church’s teachings are consistent with The Gospel. If not somewhere along the line error creeped into your hierarchy.”
Yes...and what hierarchy approved the 4 Gospel Books? I’m very interested in your direct answer.
In Mein Kampf, Hitler listed Martin Luther as one of the greatest reformers. And similar to Luther in the 1500s, Hitler spoke against the Jews. The Nazi plan to create a German Reich Church laid its bases on the “Spirit of Dr. Martin Luther.” The first physical violence against the Jews came on November 9-10 on Kristallnacht (Crystal Night) where the Nazis killed Jews, shattered glass windows, and destroyed hundreds of synagogues, just as Luther had proposed. In Daniel Johah Goldhagen’s book, Hitler’s Willing Executioners, he writes:
“One leading Protestant churchman, Bishop Martin Sasse published a compendium of Martin Luther’s antisemitic vitriol shortly after Kristallnacht’s orgy of anti-Jewish violence. In the foreword to the volume, he applauded the burning of the synagogues and the coincidence of the day: ‘On November 10, 1938, on Luther’s birthday, the synagogues are burning in Germany.’ The German people, he urged, ought to heed these words ‘of the greatest antisemite of his time, the warner of his people against the Jews.’”
No apologist can claim that Martin Luther bore his anti-Jewishness out of youthful naivete’, uneducation, or out of unfounded Christianity. On the contrary, Luther in his youth expressed a great optimism about Jewish conversion to Christianity. But in his later years, Luther began to realize that the Jews would not convert to his wishes. His anti-Jewishness grew slowly over time. His logic came not from science or reason, but rather from Scripture and his Faith. His “On the Jews and Their Lies” shows remarkable study into the Bible and fanatical biblical reasoning. Luther, at age 60 wrote this dangerous “little” book at the prime of his maturity, and in full knowledge in support of his beliefs and Christianity.
http://www.nobeliefs.com/luther.htm
To make this connection, one must be desperate.
You don't know The Gospel either, do you?
Good luck!
Christ’s Mercy is all embracing, He will always welcome you into the Fullness of His Church. Those who fight His open arms the hardest are being called to Him.
Of course I am. I am a Catholic. The Church was founded by Jesus Christ and later added the New Testament to the Scriptures after the Catholic Church had been around for ~100-300 years. I especially love the Gospel of John chapter six and it’s incredible illumination on the Eucharist. I believe in the entirety of Holy Scripture and not just verses that, through the tradition of men, have been erroneously interpreted without the protection of the Holy Spirit and take out of context. And I pray daily for those who have an incomplete understanding of Holy Scripture because they are missing out on the fullness of that understanding.
As a side note...did you know that the divisions within the Bible today known as chapters and verses was added by a Catholic monk in the 12th century? If it weren’t for that monk from the “abominable and apostate” Church it sure would be hard to quote chapter and verse to try to destroy that which Christ established.
Yes...and what hierarchy approved the 4 Gospel Books? I’m very interested in your DIRECT ANSWER.
“You don’t know The Gospel either, do you?”
It’s right here beside me, I just finished Luke and Acts most recently.
PLEASE ANSWER THE DIRECT QUESTION ABOVE...GOD IS LISTENING.
I would say neither.
You need to study Paul and what he built if you what to see what the ecclesia is supposed to be.
I answered you in #460. Did you have something you wanted to say after that?
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