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Martin Luther: Hitler's Spiritual Ancestor
Catholic Apologetics ^ | Peter F. Wiener

Posted on 03/15/2008 10:17:55 AM PDT by big'ol_freeper

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To: Petronski

You betcha!

I’m outta here.

Hey, Happy Palm Sunday to one and all!

Jesus Christ is Lord!


401 posted on 03/15/2008 5:31:37 PM PDT by OpusatFR
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To: Campion

The cartoons look different than Jack Chick’s but aren’t they the same in characterization and character assassination?


402 posted on 03/15/2008 5:31:53 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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To: ozzymandus

Who denies Hitler was born a Catholic?

Got a link?


403 posted on 03/15/2008 5:32:01 PM PDT by Petronski (Nice job, Hillary. Now go home and get your shine box.)
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To: wmfights
If nobody responded than he would be exposed as an empty suit.

The Pope's authority comes from God, not from the number of people who listen to him.

Christ was down to one Apostle and some women by Friday afternoon. He was still the God of the universe, not an "empty suit".

404 posted on 03/15/2008 5:32:02 PM PDT by Campion
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To: Petronski; Dr. Eckleburg

I have previously read everything that Luther had to say about Jews.

Luther thought that the reformation of the church would allow Jews to see Christianity properly presented, and that that would cause them to turn to their Messiah. Luther was very disappointed. He then saw Paul’s admonition that Judaism is an “enemy of the gospel.”

To suggest that Luther’s disappointment would in any manner have him condone Hitler’s contempt for and rejection of the scripture is utter prejudice and total ignorance of what Luther represented.

As already stated....Godwin’s Law rules regarding this article.

BTW, I am NOT a Lutheran.


406 posted on 03/15/2008 5:33:41 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain -- Those denying the War was Necessary Do NOT Support the Troops!)
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To: wmfights

You wrote:

“If nobody responded than he would be exposed as an empty suit.”

No, those who refused to respond would be exposed as faithless.


407 posted on 03/15/2008 5:34:17 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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To: vladimir998

Apparently Cornwell is all the evidence we’re allowed. Yad Vashem, Lapide, Golda Meir, et al. . . . denied.


408 posted on 03/15/2008 5:35:14 PM PDT by Petronski (Nice job, Hillary. Now go home and get your shine box.)
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To: OpusatFR
Benedictus qui venit in nomine Domini. Osanna in excelsis!

And a blessed Palm Sunday to you!

409 posted on 03/15/2008 5:35:34 PM PDT by Campion
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To: Petronski

But they feel so good inside. Everybody knows that besmirching the Body of Christ is so much the rage.


410 posted on 03/15/2008 5:36:34 PM PDT by big'ol_freeper ("...millions hate what they mistakenly think that the Catholic Church is." ~ Archbishop Fulton Sheen)
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To: Petronski
Cornwell had access to Vatican documents that no man before or since ever had, including Lapide and Yad Vashem.

And thus we agree, the figure of "860,000 Jews saved by Pacelli" is not historically supported except by the comments of an Israeli consul to Milan.

411 posted on 03/15/2008 5:37:35 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: wmfights

“As a Baptist we have a decentralized structure and are organized in associations. Thus any national figure really does not have any power over individual churches so you can usually find us on both sides of every issue.”

Oh yes, the land of 26,000 interpretations and denominations...with 26,000 answers lol.


412 posted on 03/15/2008 5:38:24 PM PDT by rbmillerjr ("bigger government means constricting freedom"....................RWR)
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To: xzins

Godwin’s Law?

You think you can brush this all aside with “Godwin’s Law?”

Good grief, man: facts are facts. If you apply Godwin’s Law in this way, no historian can ever assess responsibility for Nazism ever again.

Godwin’s Law applies in discussions of Ford v. Chevy, Vanilla v. Chocolate, Dallas v. Green Bay, liberal v. conservative, linux v. windows, etc. It cannot apply to the study of WWII, or the history of that time disappears in a black hole of logical paradox.


413 posted on 03/15/2008 5:38:45 PM PDT by Petronski (Nice job, Hillary. Now go home and get your shine box.)
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To: Petronski
The rise of Nazism is a failure of humanity, not merely the failure of the Roman Catholic Church.

I agree.

The thing to do is learn from it. We can argue theology till the cows come home, but we should be united when the forces of evil are approaching.

414 posted on 03/15/2008 5:39:10 PM PDT by wmfights (Believe - THE GOSPEL - and be saved)
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To: xzins
It cannot apply to the study of WWII, or the history of that time disappears in a black hole of logical paradox.

Mind you, I can certainly understand why adherents to the Traditions of Men like Luther would want that.

But it is not to be.

415 posted on 03/15/2008 5:39:43 PM PDT by Petronski (Nice job, Hillary. Now go home and get your shine box.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Cornwell had access to Vatican documents that no man before or since ever had, including Lapide and Yad Vashem.

That is one of Cornwell's lies.

And thus we agree, the figure of "860,000 Jews saved by Pacelli" is not historically supported except by the comments of an Israeli consul to Milan.

And that is one of your lies.

416 posted on 03/15/2008 5:40:55 PM PDT by Petronski (Nice job, Hillary. Now go home and get your shine box.)
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To: vladimir998; Petronski
What gets me is how they don’t even try to present evidence except a few half-hearted attempts. What’s up with that? They say truth is on their side and then they fail to present or defend what they call truth.

    If truth had been sufficient to put down Catholicism, the Reformers would not have had recourse to fiction. Errors indeed creep in by chance, whatever be the point of inquiry or dispute; but I am not accusing Protestants merely of incidental or of attendant error, but I mean that falsehood is the very staple of the views which they have been taught to entertain of us." - John Henry Cardinal Newman

417 posted on 03/15/2008 5:41:01 PM PDT by Titanites
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; Campion; Gamecock; wmfights; Alex Murphy; xzins; ConservativeMind; ...
Bible-believing Christians will affirm our salvation by the imputed righteousness of Christ

There is no righteousness other than the imputed righteousness that is ours through the sacrifice of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Let all who wish to trust their own righteousness go ahead and take that stand.

As for me, I recognize my utter sinfulness and my absolute need for mercy. Without mercy I am lost. Others might want to get there another way, but I'm sticking with the way of Grace. It's my only hope.

It is by Grace that I have been saved through faith.

418 posted on 03/15/2008 5:41:04 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain -- Those denying the War was Necessary Do NOT Support the Troops!)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Cornwell had access to Vatican documents that no man before or since ever had

That's a complete, 100%, absolute, reprehensible, lie.

He had the usual access to the Vatican Archives that any scholar can get by asking for it. According to the logbook, he was there a few times over a period of three weeks. Whoopee.

And when he was publicly challenged by Ronald Rychlak on what he had discovered in the archives, all he could come up with was a juvenile titter about Pius XII's alleged love affair with his housekeeper.

That's the joker you've hitched your star to.

419 posted on 03/15/2008 5:42:25 PM PDT by Campion
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

You really DO intend to rob Lapide of claim to be a “reputable historian.”

You are an enemy of truth.


420 posted on 03/15/2008 5:42:31 PM PDT by Petronski (Nice job, Hillary. Now go home and get your shine box.)
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