The Council Of Orange was Sola Fide

529 | Council of Orange

[Gamecock]

CANON 6. If anyone says that God has mercy upon us when, apart from his grace, we believe, will, desire, strive, labor, pray, watch, study, seek, ask, or knock, but does not confess that it is by the infusion and inspiration of the Holy Spirit within us that we have the faith, the will, or the strength to do all these things as we ought; or if anyone makes the assistance of grace depend on the humility or obedience of man and does not agree that it is a gift of grace itself that we are obedient and humble, he contradicts the Apostle who says, "What have you that you did not receive?" (1 Cor. 4:7), and, "But by the grace of God I am what I am" (1 Cor. 15:10).

[Gamecock]

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[P-Marlowe]

For our Brothers and Sisters in Rio Linda:

The Councils of Orange (or the Synods of Orange) comprised two synods held at Orange, France. The first (441) dealt with various church issues. The second (529) affirmed Augustine's teaching against Pelagian challenge.

[Salvation]

Your post is misleading to say the least, since there are 25 Canons connected with the Council of Orange.

First paragraph;

The Council of Orange was an outgrowth of the controversy between Augustine and Pelagius. This controversy had to do with degree to which a human being is responsible for his or her own salvation, and the role of the grace of God in bringing about salvation. The Pelagians held that human beings are born in a state of innocence, i.e., that there is no such thing as a sinful nature or original sin. As a result of this view, they held that a state of sinless perfection was achievable in this life. The Council of Orange dealt with the Semi-Pelagian doctrine that the human race, though fallen and possessed of a sinful nature, is still "good" enough to able to lay hold of the grace of God through an act of unredeemed human will.

[Salvation]

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[Gamecock]

Thanks for pointing that out.

The Council of Orange is also Calvinistic.

[Kolokotronis]

“The Council of Orange is also Calvinistic.”

The Council of Orange was also local and made no dogmatic pronouncements binding on the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church, then or now.

[Salvation]

You are believing what wiki has to say.

[Aquinasfan]

This is "grace alone," which is different from "faith alone."

James 2:24

You see that a person is justified by what he does and not by faith alone.

[Gamecock]

Nope.

I read The Canons for myself.

It's quite an easy read and very evident that it states that we are saved by faith alone and also has a Calvinistic view of regeneration.

If more Catholics read Orange there would be more conservative Presbyterians in the world.

[Salvation]

> href="http://www.crossroadsinitiative.com/library_author/82/Council__of_Orange.html">Rejects Pelagian theory

Council of Orange

THE COUNCIL OF ORANGE

The Council of Orange (529 AD) must be seen against the backdrop of the controversy about grace that began a century earlier when Augustine debated the British monk Pelagius (ca. 410 AD).  This dispute had to do with degree to which a human being is responsible for his or her own salvation, and the role of the grace of God in bringing about salvation.  The Pelagians held that human beings are born in a state of innocence, i.e., that there is no such thing as a sinful nature or original sin.  As a result of this view, they held that a state of sinless perfection was
achievable in this life. 

The Council of Orange dealt with a revived form of Pelagian thinking often called Semi-Pelagianism that the human race, though fallen and possessed of a sinful nature, is still "good" enough to able to lay hold of the grace of God through an act of unredeemed human will.  For the Semi-Pelagians, human beings can take the first steps toward salvation without grace.

The Council clearly reject[s] this view and teaches that grace precedes and enables any step we can possibly take toward God.  Yet it also rejects the view of the extreme Augustinians that God could possibly will the damnation of some.  It affirms that God wants all to be saved and come to a knowledge of the truth.

Though this Council was not officially ecumenical, its decrees have been received as an authentic expression of Catholic truth.  Unfortunately, the teaching of this Council was virtually lost for over a thousand years.  It is tragic that neither Catholics nor Protestants at the time of the Reformation appeared to have known of the council's teaching.

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Thank you. I’ll admit it. I was going to have to go look it up.

[wmfights]

The Councils of Orange (or the Synods of Orange) comprised two synods held at Orange, France. The first (441) dealt with various church issues. The second (529) affirmed Augustine's teaching against Pelagian challenge.

Thank you.

I'll admit it, I was going to have to go back and look it up.

[Quix]

Thanks for the ping.

[GCC Catholic]

Some points worth mentioning:

- Often Councils will have other associated documents other than just the Canons. Were there any for the Second Council of Orange? Do we have them if there were? Canons from other councils (like Trent) would be far less useful without the authoritative discussions that are associated with them.

- The Canons would most certainly be Augustinian; that does not necessarily make them Calvinist.

- It’s not an “easy read.” You read a TRANSLATION of the Canons, not the Canons themselves, as they would have been in Latin. The English translations, even if done by a Catholic, could end up sounding more ‘Calvinist’ than they actually are. It’s equally possible that they are perfectly accurately translated.

[wmfights]

This is "grace alone," which is different from "faith alone."

I've seen other RC posters state that the RCC does believe in Faith Alone. That is incorrect isn't it?

[wmfights]

The Council of Orange was also local and made no dogmatic pronouncements binding on the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church, then or now.

Would that apply to the Synod at Hippo?

[Salvation]

Faith alone was added to the Bible by Luther. Keep looking and you will find when that happened.

[AliVeritas]

You’re kidding... right?

[Gamecock]

Typical Catholic hyperbole.