[mysterio]

I have been interested in the shroud since I was a kid.

[NYer]

Shroud Story

The skeptical inquirer and the Shroud of Turin

[NYer]

Ping!

[trisham]

While appreciating the importance of the work done by researchers seeking to confirm the date of the artifact — for instance, three years ago Dr. Ray Rogers showed that the 1988 Carbon-14 dating was not done on the original burial cloth, but rather on a Shroud patch that in the Middle Ages had been cleverly re-woven into the border area

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I don't recall hearing this before. It's very interesting.

[annalex]

Hi.

[urtax$@work]

...1988 Carbon-14 dating was not done on the original burial cloth, but rather on a Shroud patch that in the Middle Ages had been cleverly re-woven into the border area...

why was test not on original cloth ?

[Moonman62]

What amazes me is how often Christians focus on everything but the teachings of Jesus. And recently, I’m watching the clips of Obama’s pastor, and I’m not hearing him say anything about Jesus or his teachings, just hateful politics.

[shuckmaster]

So why do so many people care so much about a relic that according to available records was first displayed in the French village of Lirey in 1357 and was supposedly “proven” by Carbon-14 dating done in 1988 to have been created somewhere between 1260 and 1390?

P T Barnum gave a great explanation to answer that question. "There's a sucker born every minute".

[Dajjal]

bumpus ad summum

good site:
http://www.historian.net/shroud.htm
The Shroud of Turin : Genuine Artifact or Manufactured Relic?

[marshmallow]

In the end, faith will determine the Shroud's authenticity.

I'm skeptical of the worth of any scientific tests on this issue. Science is only of value when it is applied to situations in which the normal laws of nature are operational.With the Shroud, we are dealing with a situation, which by definition is unprecedented in history and in which the normal laws of science were suspended; namely the physical resurrection of a dead human being.

Would radiation have been given out during this process in the form of light, heat or some other species? Could this have influenced the radiochemical content of material in contact with the body at the time?

We don't know the answers to these questions but they are valid ones and would need to be answered deinitively before absolute faith can be placed in the carbon-14 dating. Any man who presumes that science will record the definitive verdict on this question is a little naive.

[cpforlife.org]

FYI,

Last time I visited there was a life size copy of the photographic negative on display, front and back, lit from behind at Mother Angelica's shrine in Hanceville, AL.

Awe inspiring.

[Mr. Jeeves]

Shroud of Turin Accidentally Washed With Red Shirt

;)

[Swordmaker]

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[Young Werther]

I remember that the shroud was vacuumed and the dust was tested. Seed granuals were carbon dated and were of a plant that grew in the Holy Land around the time of christ. Organic mutations are such that these seeds would be proof of the age of the shroud.

Additionaly the Veil with which Christ's face was wiped by St Veronica has been graphically compared using present day computer graphics technology. the results suggest that the two visages are very similar!

[A CA Guy]

I don’t care what it is, it should have nothing to do with the practive of Christianity.

[Ruy Dias de Bivar]

Bible Archeology Review had an interesting article on the shroud years ago. I wish I had kept it.

***Nevertheless, exactly how the image was imprinted on cloth remains a mystery that, so far as anyone knows, has never been repeated.***

It was made by placing a cloth on a statue and patting it down with an ochre filled “powder puff”.

***So why do so many people care so much about a relic that according to available records was first displayed in the French village of Lirey in 1357 and was supposedly “proven” by Carbon-14 dating done in 1988 to have been created somewhere between 1260 and 1390? ***

It was known at the time who made the cloth and image.

A priest demanded the local bishop destroy it as many people were worshiping it.

***They have uncovered enough anomalies and unexplained phenomena to be certain of one thing: Whatever the Shroud may be, it clearly is no run-of-the-mill medieval forgery.***

And like TV shows on UFOs and Ghost hunters you never prove them fraudulent or you will lose your audience. You always leave the impression that there is something unknown left to be found and it is possibly real.