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1 posted on 03/11/2008 8:32:51 AM PDT by Dada Orwell
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I don’t know about that but it is a way for big brother to keep tabs on you more than he can now. In the movie Minority Report there is a scene where Cruise is walking in a mall area and eye scanners pick up his eye and ID’s him and personalize all advertisements to his name. IT is coming.

Not to mention he is constantly followed by the government.

I for one will never be marked nor will my “at home” children.

If you think they don’t keep tabs in you if you own a satellite dish they can detect what shows you are watching and when. They also have records of every website you visit and email you send. Yes I am a conspiracy theorist.


2 posted on 03/11/2008 8:39:11 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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Why so few Christians joining fight against The Mark?

Because most Christians realize that paranoia about "the Mark" has been around for ages, and it has never panned out and just makes those who jump on the paranoia look foolish. With the exception of those who follow Preteristic Eschatology and believe "the Mark" mentioned in revelation was a direct contemporary reference to branding applied to all slaves in Rome to legalize their ability to work for their masters, then very few instances have legitimate cases.

Be it the social security number, bar codes, driver's licenses, credit cards, RFID, realID, whatever, every case that people claimed at the time was "the Mark" lacked one important element- what it had to do with turning one's back on God.

3 posted on 03/11/2008 8:40:05 AM PDT by mnehring (The question isn't who is going to let me; it's who is going to stop me. - Ayn Rand)
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http://www.tektonics.org/esch/eschatology.html


4 posted on 03/11/2008 8:40:19 AM PDT by Matchett-PI (Romney will get the VP nod - or else.)
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Apocalypse Now...?
http://www.tektonics.org/esch/revdate.html


5 posted on 03/11/2008 8:44:26 AM PDT by Matchett-PI (Romney will get the VP nod - or else.)
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People should actually READ the RealID law. It is so far away from the mark of the beast that any association with such is pure hysterics. The law says, the Federal government will only accept IDs issued from the different states, if they meet certain criteria. So if you wish to engage with the Federal government, you have to use either a state who's ID includes the security features required by the Federal government .... or, you get a Federal ID (Passport, military ID, etc).
6 posted on 03/11/2008 8:44:48 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: Dada Orwell

OF COURSE the REAL ID

is a precursor and a close one at that,

to the Mark of The Beast.

The chip implant will be the final stage—is the final stage alreay for Mexican bureaucrats . . . some law enforcement groups in the USA etc.

There was a big semi-sized van one could get implanted in at a recent Dolphin’s game . . . with lots of advertising hoopla about it at the game, IIRC.

I suspect a number of Christians are in lala land; asleep; clueless; looking the other way; hoping against hope it won’t be on their watch; . . . and no small number feeling accurately that it’s going to be anyway—so why fight it.

Certainly it’s going to be anyway. Still, some fighting it could delay the final stage some, probably. Not certainly.

And, it’s good to fight for the good and against evil.

However, putting the same time and energies into drawing folks into God’s Love and The Kingdom is the wiser use of time and resources, imho.

AND THAT COULD WELL INCLUDE WARNING FOLKS about what’s coming even though they may well think one crazy. When the boom lowers, Holy Spirit will cause them to remember and they can yet again choose life over death; Eternal Life over eternal isolation from God.


7 posted on 03/11/2008 8:45:04 AM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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I think we’ll know it when we see it.

Interesting thing is that the bible is very clear. It does not say to fight the mark. It just says to not get it. At least that implies that it is volunary.

It is interesting that the bible is all about the individual and his relationship with God and man. We humans always want to group ourselves together as causes to fight stuff.


8 posted on 03/11/2008 8:47:52 AM PDT by RobRoy (I'm confused. I mean, I THINK I am, but I'm not sure. But I could be wrong about that.)
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10 posted on 03/11/2008 8:49:05 AM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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As a pretribber, I won’t receiving “the mark”.

We won’t be here. While we ARE here, we should be getting others on board. Those left behind will have to deal with “the mark”. Worrying about “the mark” when the real problem is unsaved people - doesn’t make sense to me.


14 posted on 03/11/2008 8:51:11 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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Personally, I think RealID is going to be such a costly pain for states to implement that it will be revoked. Just my humble opinion.


21 posted on 03/11/2008 8:57:00 AM PDT by knittnmom (...surrounded by reality!)
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One could make a case than any and every ID or ID number is a precursor to the Mark. That includes Name, SS#, Drivers License, Credit card numbers, etc.

What is known is that the Mark will be different in this way, it will either be on the right hand or on the forehead. It will be a symbol of allegiance and without it you won't be able to buy food or conduct commerce.

Rev 13:16 He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, 17so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name. 18This calls for wisdom. If anyone has insight, let him calculate the number of the beast, for it is man's number. His number is 666.

25 posted on 03/11/2008 8:58:36 AM PDT by DannyTN
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bflr


29 posted on 03/11/2008 9:01:15 AM PDT by Hegemony Cricket (IX-XI -- numquam didici)
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I think it is a precursor to it. So was the SS number. Kind’a like the frog in the boiling water.

The Christians of today are really lazy. They do not visit the sick, the elderly, or the shutins like they did when I was a kid.

Now I know that their are a good many Christians who do these things, but most (especially here in the south)go to church and endure fifteen to thirty minutes of preaching and then it’s, “where we going to eat.”

I have tried hard to find a church to go to where God’s word is real and the body does all they can to fight abortion. I was told at one church that I was not allowed to participate because of my past. I was very bitter for what what happened to my brothers in Vietnam when I came home and I drank a lot to try and forget. I also did a lot of pills that the VA was more than glad to give me. I also let it be know that I was mad at God and wanted nothing to do with him. All that changed when I accepted Jesus Christ as my personal Savior,but my past still haunts me.

The really sad part is that when I stopped going to church not one person has visited me to ask why.

Another church I attended told me that the lost were not welcome and I left immediately. I guess they thought I was an unforgiven sinner. I do look kinda ruff with an oxygen tank , a cane, and walking like Frankenstein .

Like I said, I know that many beloved Christians are fighting the good fight. I sure would like to fight it with them, but now I am just a homebody with more sickness than I care to talk about.

James


35 posted on 03/11/2008 9:04:30 AM PDT by 11bravo wolfhoundf ( "Duty is ours; results are God's." John Quincy Adams)
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God was unhappy when King David wanted to count everyone in Israel. I think that when a country(ries) wants to keep track of its people like what was done with David time, could this made God mad?

The Mark of the Beast =

Beast is Satan or a country that Satan is using.

The Mark = Satan using a symbol for counting and shopping. A lot like the marks used on prisoners during the Holocaust.

..Just thinking out loud...


43 posted on 03/11/2008 9:08:08 AM PDT by tmp02
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What do *you* think? Is Real ID the Mark of the Beast? A precursor to it? A bad thing? A good thing?

No, it's not the mark of the beast. It may help set the stage for acceptance of the mark later on.

44 posted on 03/11/2008 9:08:18 AM PDT by VRWCmember
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The Bible tells you to resist as an individual. You will not stop its use as you can not stop the NWO.


58 posted on 03/11/2008 9:18:33 AM PDT by bmwcyle (I am the watchman on the tower sounding the alarm.)
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The 'mark' is implemented and enforced, not by government,
but by the 'religous' leader the False Prophet, aka the Second Beast.
Revelation 13.
62 posted on 03/11/2008 9:27:34 AM PDT by evets (beer)
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Scripture says that we will be compelled to take the mark in order to buy or sell. I’m not interested in having anything put into my hand or forehead, and I suppose I won’t really know if it’s the “mark of the beast” until the world compells us to get it. There are a lot of other things that will have to happen before we’ll know for sure if it’s the true “mark of the beast”.

In the mean time, just say “no”.


63 posted on 03/11/2008 9:27:52 AM PDT by Sopater (A wise man's heart inclines him to the right, but a fool's heart to the left. ~ Ecclesiastes 10:2)
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Bookmarked for later


64 posted on 03/11/2008 9:28:04 AM PDT by sport
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1 Timothy 4:12—manage your own house.

Revelation 14:9—Is the mark being placed in/on the forehead? If not then do not worry about it? If one is using only a literal sense of scripture do not interpret—it must be on the forehead.

Quit using Holy Writ as a bludgeon and go to Mass. A couple thousand years of actually following Christ might provide some insight.


69 posted on 03/11/2008 9:46:11 AM PDT by T bench
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