Jesus Christ is God (John 8: 46-59)

DRBO ^ | 1st century A.D. | The Gospel According to John

[Pyro7480]

"At that time Jesus said to the multitudes of the Jews: 'Which of you shall convince me of sin? If I say the truth to you, why do you not believe me? He that is of God, heareth the words of God. Therefore you hear them not, because you are not of God.' The Jews therefore answered, and said to him: Do not we say well that thou art a Samaritan, and hast a devil? Jesus answered: 'I have not a devil: but I honour my Father, and you have dishonoured me. But I seek not my own glory: there is one that seeketh and judgeth. Amen, amen I say to you: If any man keep my word, he shall not see death for ever.' The Jews therefore said: Now we know that thou hast a devil. Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and thou sayest: If any man keep my word, he shall not taste death for ever. Art thou greater than our father Abraham, who is dead? and the prophets are dead. Whom dost thou make thyself? Jesus answered: 'If I glorify myself, my glory is nothing. It is my Father that glorifieth me, of whom you say that he is your God. And you have not known him, but I know him. And if I shall say that I know him not, I shall be like to you, a liar. But I do know him, and do keep his word. Abraham your father rejoiced that he might see my day: he saw it, and was glad.' The Jews therefore said to him: Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham? Jesus said to them: 'Amen, amen I say to you, before Abraham was made, I am.' They took up stones therefore to cast at him. But Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple."

[Lancey Howard]

Here's the easier to read New English version:

Which one of you convicts me of sin? If I tell the truth, why do you not believe me? Whoever is of God hears the words of God. The reason why you do not hear them is that you are not of God."

The Jews answered him, "Are we not right in saying that you are a Samaritan and have a demon?" Jesus answered, "I do not have a demon, but I honor my Father, and you dishonor me. Yet I do not seek my own glory; there is One who seeks it, and he is the judge. Truly, truly, I say to you, if anyone keeps my word, he will never see death." The Jews said to him, "Now we know that you have a demon! Abraham died, as did the prophets, yet you say, 'If anyone keeps my word, he will never taste death.' Are you greater than our father Abraham, who died? And the prophets died! Who do you make yourself out to be?" Jesus answered, "If I glorify myself, my glory is nothing. It is my Father who glorifies me, of whom you say, 'He is our God.' But you have not known him. I know him. If I were to say that I do not know him, I would be a liar like you, but I do know him and I keep his word. Your father Abraham rejoiced that he would see my day. He saw it and was glad." So the Jews said to him, "You are not yet fifty years old, and have you seen Abraham?" Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am." they picked up stones to throw at him, but Jesus hid himself and went out of the temple.

[gogogodzilla]

A metaphysical synopsis developed to justify the continuation of the religion AFTER the founder... ceased to be.

[gogogodzilla]

Exactly, so ditch the lies.

Return to the true faith, the original faith. The faith given to us by G-d.

Anything else is a knowing and deliberate denunciation of G-d’s word.

[Grizzled Bear]

G-d already told us how to live. All you need to do is read G-d’s law.

If you go back and read my post you will see I stated He showed us how to live.

Anybody with an IQ above room temperature and basic critical reading skills can discern the difference between telling and showing.

How are you doing with my wine? Do you claim to be "The God" or do you claim to be "a god?" Perhaps the wine is too difficult. Can you iron my shirts instead?

[Grizzled Bear]

Moses really didn’t do the miracles. He was told by God what to do. Have you started my shirts yet?

[gogogodzilla]

What’s your point? G-d gave us his law.

You deliberately turn away from G-d’s law to follow someone claiming to be G-d.

You give no good reason to believe that he is G-d, other than some revisionist claptrap written after his death.

[Grizzled Bear]

I avoid arguing with idiots. Y’all have a habit of dragging the rest of us down to your level and beat us with experience.

It's time for those of us who have day jobs to get some sleep.

Ciao!

[southland]

Booked

[gogogodzilla]

Or you don’t have the ammunition to win this argument and so, resort to insults.

[Religion Moderator]

Discuss the issues all you want, but do NOT make it personal.

[skr]

Moses who was completely incapable of any of the plagues without God working through him. No human being does anything supernatural without help from either God or the devil.

As to Jesus dying, He allowed His earthly body to be put to death. He rejoined and transformed his earthly body on Resurrection Day. At no point was God dead.

[gogogodzilla]

Look, it’s quite simple. You even admit it, albeitly with metaphysical excuses, that Jesus died.

Therefore, if Jesus was G-d, then G-d died.

G-d cannot die, ergo... Jesus wasn’t G-d.

Q.E.D.

[Alamo-Girl]

Look, it’s quite simple. You even admit it, albeitly with metaphysical excuses, that Jesus died.

Therefore, if Jesus was G-d, then G-d died.

G-d cannot die, ergo... Jesus wasn’t G-d.

Q.E.D.

Your conception of God is anthropomorphized. God can do anything.

For my thoughts [are] not your thoughts, neither [are] your ways my ways, saith the LORD. For [as] the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts. - Isaiah 55:8-9

Anthropomorphisms of God are broken cisterns:

For my people have committed two evils; they have forsaken me the fountain of living waters, [and] hewed them out cisterns, broken cisterns, that can hold no water. – Jeremiah 2:13

God's Name is I AM - and Alpha and Omega.

I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. – Revelation 1:8

I [am] he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death. - Revelation 1:18

I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. – Revelation 22:13

Jesus Christ is the Living Word of God.

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. – John 1:1

Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether [they be] thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all [things] he might have the preeminence.

For it pleased [the Father] that in him should all fulness dwell; And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, [I say], whether [they be] things in earth, or things in heaven.– Colossians 1:15-20

To God be the glory!

[DouglasKC]

Look, it’s quite simple. You even admit it, albeitly with metaphysical excuses, that Jesus died. Therefore, if Jesus was G-d, then G-d died. G-d cannot die, ergo... Jesus wasn’t G-d. Q.E.D.

I think your confusion has to do with a misunderstanding of the Godhead. The Godhead is composed of two persons, the father and the son. They are real, spirit beings with a form that we can't discern, but real forms nonetheless.

When the son incarnated, he gave up his spirit body and became flesh and blood.

Php 2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
Php 2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

The thing that most of Christianity doesn't understand is that man is NOT created with an eternal soul. We really truly die when we die.

Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

The choice is "perish", die, or eternal life. We don't have an immortal soul. We RECEIVE eternal life through faith in Christ.

So when Christ became flesh, he really truly died on the cross. God, the father and son, bet the farm that when the son came to earth that he would not sin. If he HAD, he would still be dead.

He earned the right to eternal life because he did not sin, did not break any of God's laws:

Mar 10:17 And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?
Mar 10:18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.
Mar 10:19 Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honor thy father and mother.

We however can't keep these perfectly, but since Christ did we can gain life by his sacrifice.

Jesus was completely human with the spirit of God dwelling in him. He, at any time, could have done his own human will and thus have sinned and thus could have died forever.

[hosepipe]

[ Therefore, if Jesus was G-d, then G-d died. G-d cannot die, ergo... Jesus wasn’t G-d. ]

What is death?.. Conversely, What is life?..
You seem to have a linear way of looking at things..

What is GOD?.. Can you fully concieve of what God is?..

[Quix]

No more so; no less so . . . than any other mortal dying from this time/space dimension.

Seems to me your point is pointless.

[Alamo-Girl]

Indeed. Thank you for sharing your insights, dear brother in Christ!

[Amendment10]

That would mean that G-d has died. G-d cannot die, therefore Christ cannot be G-d. (Did not Christ die for your sins?)

Hebrews 11:6 tell us that without faith it is impossible to please God. So allow Jesus' Holy Spirit to open your mind to who Jesus is by taking your first step in trying to know Jesus in faith. Your second step in knowing who Jesus is can then be in reasoning.

However, if you insist on taking that first step in trying to understand who Jesus is by reasoning, then will be no better off than 1 Corinthians 1:18-19. You will merely spin your wheels.

John 3:16
Revelation 3:20

[Tennessee Nana]

No argument here...

Thanks for posting this

:)

[Ezekiel]

On this rudimentary subject, ggg, you are as well-received as the prophets of the Lord.

Prophets of Baal: 450
Prophets of the groves: 400
Elijah: 1
Fire from heaven: priceless