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To: fproy2222
You say that leaving something out of one version and having it in another is proof it is false. (Paul did this)

Leaving something out of one account but including it in another does not falsify the overall story, as long as it doesn't contradict the account. In Smitties case, I'll ask you again - based upon MORMON documents Smittie was personally involved in publishing regarding the first visitation was he: 14, 15 or 17 yrs old
Was it a)in the woods b) in his bedroom or c) who knows
Who visited him a)an angel b) Jesus only c) both Jesus and the father

Conflicting testamony like the above indicates falsehood. Nothing 'added' or left out to it.

569 posted on 03/13/2008 12:19:30 PM PDT by Godzilla (Today's mighty oak tree is just yesterdays nut who held it's ground.)
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To: Godzilla
Smittie

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++=

You do like to use degrading language, don't you.

Tells of your mind set.

Don't worry about the truth, just put down.

621 posted on 03/13/2008 11:56:34 PM PDT by fproy2222
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To: Godzilla
In Smitties case, I'll ask you again - based upon MORMON documents Smittie was personally involved in publishing regarding the first visitation was he: 14, 15 or 17 yrs old
Was it a)in the woods b) in his bedroom or c) who knows
Who visited him a)an angel b) Jesus only c) both Jesus and the father
++++++++++++++++++++

It is very clear you are spitting up someone elsies ideas.

You show no personal study.

622 posted on 03/13/2008 11:59:31 PM PDT by fproy2222
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To: Godzilla; fproy2222
You do realize that some of the Theophanies in the Bible refer to Jesus, as himself at one point and to him as an angel in another. Angel in Hebrew merely means messenger. The Hebrew translation is mal'ach, meaning "messenger." Jesus describes himself as a messenger of the Father in Malchi 3:1

Paul describes his theophany differently at different times as well. Seeing as how the Prophet/Apostle Paul did it I don't fault the Prophet/Apostle Joseph Smith for doing it as well. Joseph Smith's theophany of God and Jesus matches Stephen's in Acts 7:55-56 who saw Jesus standing on the right hand of God.

What is realy interesting is the Book of Abraham (mormon scripture) refers to Jesus as the "angel of the Lord's presence" at one point. Which was a way to refer to him in early post apostlic Christianity as well. It's too bad many modern Christian's no longer refer to him by that name even thought their Fathers did. Joseph Smith restored truths about Christ which had been lost. The mormon (restorationist) claim is really not that different than the protestant (reformationsist) claim that the Catholics (originalists) lost the truth. Who you believe and which way you interpret it is up to you. but I believe in the Theophany of Jospeh Smith just as I believe the theophany of Paul. If you choose not to believe as I do that is fine with me.

705 posted on 03/14/2008 11:48:44 AM PDT by Rameumptom (Gen X= they killed 1 in 4 of us)
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