Posted on 03/08/2008 5:14:33 PM PST by Zakeet
Spanish-speakers are fueling growth in the local Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, which recently opened new worship space on Tucson's predominantly Hispanic South Side.
Many local Mormon worshippers, like 47-year-old Juan Arroyo, converted to the faith from Catholicism while living in their native countries. Arroyo, a roofer who has four children, joined the church when he lived in Guadalajara, Mexico. He's been in the United States for seven years.
"I was missing something, and my life changed greatly after meeting the missionaries," he said in Spanish.
Nationally, the number of Spanish-speaking congregations in the Mormon church grew by 64 percent between 2000 and 2006. There are 639 such congregations in the United States.
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The church is growing quickly in Mexico.
Church officials say its presence there began in 1875 when Brigham Young, then denomination president, called on six missionaries from Salt Lake City to bring Spanish-language materials about the church to Mexico. In 1885, a group of nearly 400 colonists from Utah arrived at northern Mexico's Casas Grandes River. Mexico's first stake was created in Colonia Juárez in 1895. By 1912, more than 4,000 members had settled in Chihuahua and Sonora.
More than 1 million members now live in Mexico, a predominantly Catholic country with a population of about 108 million.
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Well, I am glad to see the LDS finally lifted that ban in existence for over 100 years of not allowing black mormons to hold the priesthood instead of continuing to practice their racist policies of the past. Long overdue wasn't it???? Especially since you can't attain exaltation without holding the priesthood. Now that's racist and the LDS did it until the 1970's. But wait -- that's CHANGED doctrine isn't it???? Convenient too. Wasn't changed until the LDS started having troubles gaining african converts. And you lecture us.........
You've shown us how deceived you really are.
No, the Bible teaches we have been left with the greatest teacher of all - the Holy Spirit.
John 14:26 - But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
What LDS teaching does is substitute prophets for the Holy Spirit and say that God Himself is not sufficient.
Not "everyone". Christians... of which you are not one.
The Mormons believe that there are three Gods in the "Godhead." The Mormons believe that Jesus was a literal Son of God and the first spirit child born out of a Marriage between the "Heavenly Father" and one of his Celestial wives.
The Mormons believe that the "Heavenly Father" received a body of flesh and bones after living on some earth somewhere in the Universe and "became" God by being "exalted" through obedience to the "Laws and Ordinance of the Gospel" and that someday every good Mormon male will be given that same opportunity to be a "Heavenly Father" over some planet somewhere in the endless universe, provided that they follow all the rules of laws and ordinances and principles of the Mormon Gospel.
Mormons do not believe that God created the heavens and the earth, but that the Heavens and the Earth pre-existed God and that God merely "organized" the existing material to make the earth.
Mormons are unique among all religions in regard to their belief in the nature of God. Christians believe in ONE GOD, who has existed as God from all eternity. Christians do not believe that God "became" God. Christians believe that the ONE GOD exists in three persons, the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. Christians do not believe that there are any other Gods in the whole of the Universe and that the one God created the whole of the universe by the power of his Word.
So quit whining when we say that Mormons are not Christians. They are not. When I was a Mormon, I never made the claim that I was a "Christian" just like the Protestants and the Catholics. The Mormon claim to be "Christian" is something that came along after I left the LDS Church. It was a PR move to try to win converts by pretending that the LDS Church is just a "better" church than the one that the potential convert is being led away from. But the LDS Church has always taught that it alone is the "Church of Christ" and that all other churches are the Church of the devil. Maybe they don't "emphasize" that belief anymore, just like they don't "emphasize" the doctrine of Eternal Progression. But they teach it. And it is essential to their entire belief system.
It might help if you would give a straight answer, and not call me names because you cannot explain it good enough.
I gave you a straight answer and I do not recall calling you a name, unless you are somehow insulted that I referred to you as "Fred".
I did think about it.
Brigham Young was a false prophet. That is an empirically provable fact. Maybe YOU should think about THAT.
What difference does it make?
| The Official Scriptures of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints © 2006 Intellectual Reserve, Inc. All rights reserved. |
Mormons would never dare post actual excerpts of the Journal of Discourses, it would be too damaging.
I think our FRiend fred is suggesting it came from an “anti” site, so, while totally factual and acurate, ....it must therefore be anti. LOL
While YOU are showing nothing:
No bible verses to prove your claim;
no BoM words to back up your assertions.
Why are you an LDS member?
It's just another church telling you a different way to be saved.
How do you know THEY are right?
You seem to use this kind of post to confuse the discussion.
It is NOT in "what you said".
You just post stuff expecting no one to call you on it.
Why would you use ANY 'logic' when the WORDS are available to read?
1 Corinthians 121. Now about spiritual gifts, brothers, I do not want you to be ignorant.
2. You know that when you were pagans, somehow or other you were influenced and led astray to mute idols.
3. Therefore I tell you that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says, "Jesus be cursed," and no one can say, "Jesus is Lord," except by the Holy Spirit.
4. There are different kinds of gifts, but the same Spirit.
5. There are different kinds of service, but the same Lord.
6. There are different kinds of working, but the same God works all of them in all men.
7. Now to each one the manifestation of the Spirit is given for the common good.
8. To one there is given through the Spirit the message of wisdom, to another the message of knowledge by means of the same Spirit,
9. to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by that one Spirit,
10. to another miraculous powers, to another prophecy, to another distinguishing between spirits, to another speaking in different kinds of tongues, and to still another the interpretation of tongues.
11. All these are the work of one and the same Spirit, and he gives them to each one, just as he determines.
12. The body is a unit, though it is made up of many parts; and though all its parts are many, they form one body. So it is with Christ.
13. For we were all baptized by one Spirit into one body--whether Jews or Greeks, slave or free--and we were all given the one Spirit to drink.
14. Now the body is not made up of one part but of many.
15. If the foot should say, "Because I am not a hand, I do not belong to the body," it would not for that reason cease to be part of the body.
16. And if the ear should say, "Because I am not an eye, I do not belong to the body," it would not for that reason cease to be part of the body.
17. If the whole body were an eye, where would the sense of hearing be? If the whole body were an ear, where would the sense of smell be?
18. But in fact God has arranged the parts in the body, every one of them, just as he wanted them to be.
19. If they were all one part, where would the body be?
20. As it is, there are many parts, but one body.
21. The eye cannot say to the hand, "I don't need you!" And the head cannot say to the feet, "I don't need you!"
22. On the contrary, those parts of the body that seem to be weaker are indispensable,
23. and the parts that we think are less honorable we treat with special honor. And the parts that are unpresentable are treated with special modesty,
24. while our presentable parts need no special treatment. But God has combined the members of the body and has given greater honor to the parts that lacked it,
25. so that there should be no division in the body, but that its parts should have equal concern for each other.
26. If one part suffers, every part suffers with it; if one part is honored, every part rejoices with it.
27. Now you are the body of Christ, and each one of you is a part of it.
28. And in the church God has appointed first of all apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then workers of miracles, also those having gifts of healing, those able to help others, those with gifts of administration, and those speaking in different kinds of tongues.
29. Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Do all work miracles?
30. Do all have gifts of healing? Do all speak in tongues ? Do all interpret?
31. But eagerly desire the greater gifts. And now I will show you the most excellent way.
GMTA!
Can you be SURE???
AoF #8
We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God.
--MormonDude(Oh yeah: there's a BUNCH of stuff that we consider 'the word of God' that is NOT mentioned in our AoF!)
This lasted LONGER than the Eternal Doctrine of Polygamy!
It lasted only about 47 years!
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I wish you would make up your mind.
Then you'd better talk to your fellow mormon on that one shouldn't you. But then an invocation of Tanner is akin to invoking nazism when you cannot sustain your arguement.
Thank you...
I’ll attempt to make sure my posts are not personal...
I’ll check my posts over before pressing “post”
:) I kept it realllllly simple for you. These were summarized from the three mormon documents that were referenced. I even included the 'official' version. So what is so hard for you to answer a simple multiple choice question?
I'd like to see chapter and verse for your first statement, KJV is ok. Secondly provide KJV to support your claim that there would be a singular prophet to lead the church with an organization other than that listed in the NT :) Finally, my logic DID indicate there would be teachers as I clearly cited such from the Bible.
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