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Catholic tradition fading in US (Evangelical Protestants now outnumber Catholics)
The Washington Times ^ | February 26, 2008 | Julia Duin

Posted on 02/26/2008 10:44:25 AM PST by Between the Lines

Evangelical Christianity has become the largest religious tradition in this country, supplanting Roman Catholicism, which is slowly bleeding members, according to a survey released yesterday by the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life.

Evangelical Protestants outnumber Catholics by 26.3 percent (59 million) to 24 percent (54 million) of the population, according to the U.S. Religious Landscape Survey, a massive 45-question poll conducted last summer of more than 35,000 American adults.

"There is no question that the demographic balance has shifted in past few decades toward evangelical churches," said Greg Smith, a research fellow at the Pew Forum. "They are now the mainline of American Protestantism."

The traditional mainline Protestant churches, which in 1957 constituted about 66 percent of the populace, now count just 18 percent as adherents.

Although one in three Americans are raised Roman Catholic, only one in four adults describe themselves as such, despite the huge numbers of immigrants swelling American churches, researchers said.

"Immigration is what is keeping them afloat," said John Green, a Pew senior fellow. "If everyone who was raised Catholic stayed Catholic, it'd be a third of the country."

Those who leave Catholicism mostly either drop out of church entirely or join Pentecostal or evangelical Protestant churches, Pew Forum director Luis Lugo said. One out of every 10 evangelicals is a former Catholic, he said, with Hispanic Catholics leaving at higher rates; 20 percent of them end up in evangelical or Pentecostal churches.

"It's a desire for a closer experience of God," he said. "It's not so much disenchantment with the teachings of the Catholic Church but the pull of what they see in Pentecostalism."

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Evangelical Christian
KEYWORDS: catholics; christendom; evangelicals; trends
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To: Clemenza

You cannot be afraid of the opinions of your family when making a true religious decision. It says that right in the Gospel, if Catholics would read it.


81 posted on 02/27/2008 12:59:29 PM PST by firebrand
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To: Petronski
I hope you are not counting me in that number. Far from wishing the demise of the Church, I would like to see it leading its one billion people in the right direction. Catholics don't need a stronger Catholic identity. They need their church to have a purer Christian identity.

But what you gain in the spiritual progress of the individual qua individual, you necessarily lose in institutional power, since all the security-giving structures fall away. It's a trade-off. The Church needs to do this, though. Gradually, as their parishioners are able to accept it. If parisioners hear it from their own church, they will accept it.

82 posted on 02/27/2008 1:07:56 PM PST by firebrand
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To: OLD REGGIE
I'm afraid your parish is not the United States.

Give it 20 years... The old-style Catholic family with 4+ kids is coming back into vogue. I've got 5 of my own and we're considered a "smallish" family in our group.
83 posted on 02/27/2008 1:11:27 PM PST by Antoninus (Tell us how you came to Barack?)
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To: Iscool

“Statistically, less than half of Catholics believe in the ‘real presensce’...Good preaching (motivational speaking, to you) DOES bring you closer to God...”

What a shame. Don’t Christians read the Gospel of John, Chapter 6?


84 posted on 02/27/2008 1:26:02 PM PST by Gumdrop
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To: Varda
What’s sad to me is many Catholic churches are mimicking mainline protestantism.

That's one reason why some people left. Many people remember and yearn for the traditional pre-Vatican II Mass. In response, more and more Catholic churches finally are offering Latin Mass these days.

85 posted on 02/27/2008 1:45:23 PM PST by Tired of Taxes (Dad, I will always think of you.)
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To: Clemenza; Antoninus
When some of the descendants of said people grew wealthy and suburbanized (and assimilated), they saw the faith of their ancestors as being archaic in the sense that it was associated with poverty and downward mobility.

That is probably true at first. But, once those same people start their own families, there's a tendency to want to return to the Church. But, with news of the scandals surrounding the Catholic Church, some cradle Catholics look elsewhere while others drop out of religious faith altogether. Meanwhile, many Catholic schools (here in our state) are closing (thanks mostly to the public school monopoly). So, there's nothing to keep Catholics in the Catholic Church... except faith. The scandals lead them to question their loyalty and faith. And so it goes...

86 posted on 02/27/2008 2:16:12 PM PST by Tired of Taxes (Dad, I will always think of you.)
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To: OLD REGGIE; al_c
Dear OLD REGGIE,

I’ve seen the questions that comprise polls that provide results like these. The difficulty with these polls is that several of the options provided to those questioned sound similar theologically. In fact, they are similar theologically.

If someone read these theological definitions to me over the phone, I might have a bit of trouble picking out the uniquely Catholic definition. Yet, I’m not entirely theologically illiterate.

Nonetheless, I believe in the Real Presence and transubstantiation.

I think that these polls, although they reveal a significant amount of lack of theological understanding on the part of many in-the-pew Catholics, underestimate actual belief in the Real Presence.

I think that if you asked rather, “Do you believe that the Blessed Sacrament is the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ under the appearance of bread and wine?” you’d get a much higher rate of affirmation.


sitetest

87 posted on 02/27/2008 2:36:49 PM PST by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: Clemenza
EWTN [is] not afraid to actively engage the more educated portion of our population. They are good at educating and reaching out to those folks who haven't learned anything about Catholicism since their 8th Grade catechism class.

Very true. EWTN is on the cusp of the trasformation of the Catholic Church in the US, from the ethnocultural institution to the universal pastor it is supposed to be.

88 posted on 02/27/2008 2:47:55 PM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: Between the Lines; Iscool; al_c; Campion
The Catholic Church has done a poor job here in the US in dealing with a mobile society. 100 years ago they were fairly quick in moving into areas where Catholics moved into. But today they are reticent in closing old churches and schools where there are few Catholics and building new ones where the Catholics have emigrated.

It's not all that simple. Changing demographics, especially in the cities, have left many ethnic Churches with a dwindling membership yet these parishioners are very reluctant to give up "their" Church.

The Boston Archdiocese has been attempting to close and/or merge Parishes for years with little success. It is an ongoing battle which will take years to solve.

It appears that many Catholics are "married" to their home Parish, not the Catholic Church.

89 posted on 02/27/2008 3:04:53 PM PST by OLD REGGIE (I am most likely a Biblical Unitarian? Let me be perfectly clear. I know nothing.)
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To: al_c; Between the Lines
Good info. Thanks. But there's still not concrete numbers and it's old data. A lot has changed in a lot of parishes since 2001. I'm going to keep looking for further info.

Keep looking my friend. There are no good numbers.
90 posted on 02/27/2008 3:09:39 PM PST by OLD REGGIE (I am most likely a Biblical Unitarian? Let me be perfectly clear. I know nothing.)
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To: ardara
"...millions of Mexicans have joined the Catholic Church in the U.S. in recent years."

I'm betting that less than half of the people of Mexican origin now living in the USA are members of any Catholic parish. Most of them are unchurched. They may answer for polling purposes that they're "Catholic," but that's nostalgia, not practice.

Which is a vast tragedy.

91 posted on 02/27/2008 3:14:56 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Point of information.)
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To: maryz; al_c
Scroll down a little more than halfway to THIRD GALLUP POLL (1992): BELIEF IN DOGMA ON HOLY EUCHARIST. This poll seems to be the source for that figure.

The two articles I cited are both copyrighted in 2003? The truth is none of us know the real answer to that question.
92 posted on 02/27/2008 3:16:17 PM PST by OLD REGGIE (I am most likely a Biblical Unitarian? Let me be perfectly clear. I know nothing.)
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To: Iscool; annalex
There are many "types," in the sense of a representation by one thing of another: Adam was a type of Christ (Rom. 5:14), so was Isaac (Heb. 11:19), so was the Passover (1 Cor. 5:7) etc.

Daughter Zion, Jerusalem, and Mary are all types of the Church. As in "Holy Mother Church."

93 posted on 02/27/2008 3:22:47 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Point of information.)
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To: Antoninus
Give it 20 years... The old-style Catholic family with 4+ kids is coming back into vogue. I've got 5 of my own and we're considered a "smallish" family in our group.

I'm afraid you are living in dreamland. New World "Christians" are having smaller families.

In 20 years I'll probably be dead (or very, very old). You'll probably live long enough to see Non-Christians as the majority in the United States.

94 posted on 02/27/2008 3:22:48 PM PST by OLD REGGIE (I am most likely a Biblical Unitarian? Let me be perfectly clear. I know nothing.)
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To: OLD REGGIE
In 20 years I'll probably be dead (or very, very old). You'll probably live long enough to see Non-Christians as the majority in the United States.

You are an old fellow who lives in Massachusetts. You have every right to be pessimistic.

I'm a young-ish fellow with five kids living in a vibrant Catholic community. Understandably, I'm much more optimistic about the future.

I trust everything to Christ. I've read the Book. I know how it ends.
95 posted on 02/27/2008 3:27:26 PM PST by Antoninus (Tell us how you came to Barack?)
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To: sitetest
I think that if you asked rather, “Do you believe that the Blessed Sacrament is the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ under the appearance of bread and wine?” you’d get a much higher rate of affirmation.

Did you write the "Catholic Answers" article on the question? :-)

If you haven't seen the Pew Poll questioneer your understanding is nothing but pure conjecture.

96 posted on 02/27/2008 3:28:50 PM PST by OLD REGGIE (I am most likely a Biblical Unitarian? Let me be perfectly clear. I know nothing.)
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To: OLD REGGIE
Dear OLD REGGIE,

“If you haven’t seen the Pew Poll questioneer your understanding is nothing but pure conjecture.”

I’m unaware of a Pew poll, but I actually reviewed the questions of a frequently-cited Gallup poll of a few years back. Thus, for the oft-cited GALLUP poll, no, I'm not conjecturing. I made that clear in my last post.


sitetest

97 posted on 02/27/2008 3:37:09 PM PST by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: Iscool; al_c
On the one hand, I could prove the Catholic Church is growing by leaps and bounds in the Diocese of Knoxville, since in the last 15 years the number of parishes has increased by 25% and the Catholic population has gone up almost 50%.

On the other hand, I could assert that the rate of growth is misleading because it's such a small diocese: we went from just 36 to 44 parishes, and from 33,000 Catholics to 50,000, and still represent only 2% of the population of the 34 counties of East Tennessee which constitute our diocese.

All of which fits into a two larger generalization: (1) the Catholic population (of people and parishes) is stagnating or shrinking in the Snow Belt and Rust Belt states, and growing in the South and Southwest, and (2) if it's numbers you want, check out the Bristol Speedway.

98 posted on 02/27/2008 3:43:21 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (NASCAR rules.)
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To: Between the Lines; Campion; Iscool

Our diocese is building yet another Catholic high school. The new principal came to Mass last week, Campion - she’s one of your Nashville Dominicans. It was wonderful to see a young, joyful, habited sister. Private groups opened another Catholic-tradition high school a couple of years ago when the bishop was still undecided on where the diocesan one would be because their kids couldn’t wait for a Catholic education. I’m not sure how viable it will be once the diocesan one opens. The elementary school at our parish has set up so many temporary buildings that if I ever tried to cut through I’d need a ball of string.


99 posted on 02/27/2008 5:12:33 PM PST by nina0113 (If fences don't work, why does the White House have one?)
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To: OLD REGGIE; Antoninus
I'm afraid you are living in dreamland. New World "Christians" are having smaller families.

Four seems to be the average in our parish, but we have got a couple of nine-kid curve-wreckers. The vans in our parking lot are not mini - they're commuter.

100 posted on 02/27/2008 5:17:28 PM PST by nina0113 (If fences don't work, why does the White House have one?)
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