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Posted on 02/22/2008 9:11:12 AM PST by Zakeet
They're called the "Lost Boys," the teenagers kicked out of their homes and communities by leaders of the polygamist Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints to ensure there's an ample supply of single, young women who will one day become plural wives. Representative Lorie Fowlke (R-Orem), is running a bill to make this abandonment a felony.
"Estimates are that we've had more than 1,000 children - primarily in southern Utah - thrown out of their homes," Fowlke says. "What we were trying to do with this bill is criminalize this behavior and send a message to this community that they can't just throw away their children."
H.B. 23 adds child abandonment to the definition of child abuse, and makes it a felony crime. It also adds an enhancement if a parent or organization benefits from the child's abandonment to further an illegal enterprise, such as polygamy. This is the case with the FLDS church, says Roger Hoole, a lawyer who represents some of the displaced young men and sits on the board for the Utah Association for Justice. He says the church benefits from kicking out young men who would compete for plural wives. This, he says, has devastating consequences.
"There's a huge impact that's coming, like a tsunami, that's going to hit the state of Utah, when these boys get a little older and realize what has happened to them and get angry," Hoole says. "There's a real problem here."
Fowlke's bill gained unanimous support in a Senate committee this morning, and now heads to the full Senate for consideration.
Thank you many I send you sunshine pills!:)
I thought we would see men walking the streets, multiple women, loaded with children trailing behind. :)
No such luck.
Depressing little settlements, everyone was hidden behind fences and walls. We saw only a few people. We got snow cones at a small stand, they didn’t even advertise on the main highway, only a dollar for a large! The girl who served us was there with a bunch of younger boys. She was wearing a homespun dress, her hair in some type of french braid, clearly uncomfortable serving us.
I wanted to tell her to run! Run away from the pervs! But I held my tongue. We didn’t venture very deep into the settlement, I’m still not sure we even saw the main part of town. Dusty streets, and an eerie stillness, we were kinda creeped out.
I laughed and laughed at the name of the local cafe. Merry Wives Cafe!
My husband and son were not impressed with me forcing them to go down there. LOL
No, that is not the way Murray sets it up...according to Murray, Noah, his wife, and their sons along with their wives, represent the race, the line, that the Adam and the Eve began...
Murray says, that when Noah is commanded to take aboard two of every living creature, that means in addition, to say, two lions, and two giraffes, and two dogs, it also means, in addition to the eight humans in Noahs immediate family, Noah is commanded to take aboard, two white people, two black people, two Asian people, two Hispanic people, etc, commanded to take aboard two of each race of the human family, take one male and one female...
That is not my take, this is just what Murray teaches...
Sorry I was not clearer before...hope this sheds some light on the matter of what Murray teaches concerning Noah...
No I hears you yelling when you were taking it off, it gets real Zizzling I hear from where you hang out!
Revelation 20
12. And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books.
13. The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what he had done.
14. Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death.
15. If anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
KJV Luke 10:20
Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven.
I understand that and agree. However, my question concerns if we who are believers are "made alive in Christ"...then we are no longer "dead"....and when our physical body dies, then we "sleep." So during the Final Judgment that's described in Revelations concerning those who are "dead," is that not speaking to non-believers who were dead and whose names, therefore, were not found in the Book of Life?
All, great and small, will stand for Judgment ... but, the Bride of Christ will not be at that Judgment to be judged, for the Bride is His Church and hidden with Him in His righteousness. We have our inheritance with Him thus we have already been judged and cleansed. If you really want to get into complications, take a look at the ‘wedding guests’, and notice their garments for the Wedding! Only the blood washed will be at the Wedding, and some there will be the Bride, while ‘others’ will be the guests, but ALL will be there because of His Cross and not by any other means.
Okay...so, as I understood, we won't be there to be judged; but, what I didn't understand previously is that we would be there. Ty.
If you really want to get into complications...
I don't think this has been pointed out to me before...it's not something I even noticed. Thanks for bringing it up. I'll definitely read up on this.
but ALL will be there because of His Cross and not by any other means.
Agreed, 100%.
The wedding guests were of such significance that Jesus even told a story about one who showed up without the proper grament and tried to be admitted ... seems an appropriate issue given the nature of this thread.
Yes, He did, that I recall. I apparently wasn’t attending to the differences between the “guests” vs. the Bride (who I know are the believers).
I agree with you Saundra “the say one thing and do another crowd” that the way it was in my day now.
It is sad but many here are like bullies on the play ground!
Meaningful discussion are disrupted by all kinds of things.
PS
And this election year seems to be bring every thing to a head like a carbuncle.
This purging is going to be hard but it is something that has to be done.
Reread Matthew 22:1-14. For whatever reason, that passage had slipped my mind. I have notations beside it which says, “We need to put on the wedding garment which God has provided, clothing ourselves in His righteousness.”
Thank you for the reminder.
That is strange! The link wouldn’t work....but I found it from the other one you posted on DD.
ty.
SALT LAKE CITY 21 February 2008 According to the National Council of Churches, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints continues to grow steadily, with a 1.56 percent increase in its United States membership in the last year. This is contrasted with most other churches, which are not experiencing membership growth or which are declining in numbers.
The findings were made available last week when the NCC published its annual Yearbook of American and Canadian Churches.
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints maintains its position as fourth-largest religion in the nation.
Thanks MHG for this great info
I hadnt thought of this
All of this needs to be discussed more...
:)
Weird!
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