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Posted on 02/22/2008 9:11:12 AM PST by Zakeet
They're called the "Lost Boys," the teenagers kicked out of their homes and communities by leaders of the polygamist Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints to ensure there's an ample supply of single, young women who will one day become plural wives. Representative Lorie Fowlke (R-Orem), is running a bill to make this abandonment a felony.
"Estimates are that we've had more than 1,000 children - primarily in southern Utah - thrown out of their homes," Fowlke says. "What we were trying to do with this bill is criminalize this behavior and send a message to this community that they can't just throw away their children."
H.B. 23 adds child abandonment to the definition of child abuse, and makes it a felony crime. It also adds an enhancement if a parent or organization benefits from the child's abandonment to further an illegal enterprise, such as polygamy. This is the case with the FLDS church, says Roger Hoole, a lawyer who represents some of the displaced young men and sits on the board for the Utah Association for Justice. He says the church benefits from kicking out young men who would compete for plural wives. This, he says, has devastating consequences.
"There's a huge impact that's coming, like a tsunami, that's going to hit the state of Utah, when these boys get a little older and realize what has happened to them and get angry," Hoole says. "There's a real problem here."
Fowlke's bill gained unanimous support in a Senate committee this morning, and now heads to the full Senate for consideration.
Are you going to answer the question in regard to salvation...what is it and how does a non-Mormon obtain it?
Just why are you so interested in me?...what could possibly be your reason?
And I say..........you go back to the Word of the Christian God to determine what it is the Christian God declares who it is that is Christian and how that process occurs. By you going back to what MAN says is a Christian, you get to "justify" your claim that Mormonism has a "right" to claim they are Christian. They ARE NOT. And that is not by MY definition, it is by God's definition as to what a Christian IS.
And each religion has its own little peculiarities, for want of a better word to use...I do not use this word ‘peculiarity’ in any sort of a demeaning manner...I use it to indicate a belief that a particular religion may embrace, which is not embraced by other religions...Catholics believe in transubstantiation, most other Christian religions do not...
And rejecting the deity of Christ, by definition, makes any sort of religion that does so, NOT Christian, not by peculiarities, but by THEIR OWN definition, which contradicts what GOD says, with PARTICULARITY, what is a Christian.
Many religions ‘preach’ that the earth is just 6000 years old, many other religions, find this claim ridiculous...some churches actually believe saved believers must handle snakes to prove their worthiness...now most ‘churches’ find this ridiculous, but those who handle snakes believe that those of us who dont, are risking our salvation...
And to the degree that these religions either reject Christ, or add to or take away from Scriptures....they are either NON Christian or in DEFIANCE of the Scriptures, rebelling against the Lord.
We can all read the Bible, we can all study various religions, we can all come to our best understanding of what the Bible says...and as we go about this, there will be arguments and disagreements...your opinion applies to you, but it does not apply to me, or anyone else...
Absolutely; but it always comes back to what is God's opinion? Not mine, not yours, not anothers. What does GOD say? And our understandings must align with what makes sense, within the context of Scripture. And even then, because of our inabilities, we will not have a perfect understanding....but God doesn't expect perfection. But He also clearly has made demands upon what it is we shall or shall not do. Those are His commands and there is no arguing or discussions concerning those things.
You may not think that Mormons are Christians, as you have come to define what that may mean...others are free to disagree with you and they do...
It's not what I think. It's what Joseph Smith thought. And he created his own religion, own bible, own stories, and these categorically contradict and/or REJECT what God has done, written, and said.
www.johnankerberg.com
Just why are you so interested in me?...what could possibly be your reason?
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You are so adament to defend the mormon doctrine and your comments leave me wondering what you believe yourself...
you also avoid questions about your own faith etc...
just as the mormons in these threads do...
(Answer the question that should have been asked...etc)
So, who is Jesus to you ????
Thanks.
But, but, but, the MORMONS do this? That can’t be.
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You are absolutely correct!
It can’t be, because the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints ( commonly known as “Mormons”) abandoned polygamy more than 100 years ago. They will immediately excommunicate anyone engaging in polygamy and remove their names from the church rolls.
Are you going to answer the question in regard to salvation...what is it and how does a non-Mormon obtain it?
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NO!
I wonder about anyone who would answer those who are hostile to their faith, that would share with them, things of great importance, and even scriptures admonish of doing such a thing.
Of course, what it comes down to, is what God thinks...and since you dont know, about any particular individual within the Mormon Church, since you cannot possibly know their relationship with the Lord, you cannot possibly know what their future after death holds for them...you dont speak for how God will deal with this one of that one within the Mormon church...God will do as He will do...your opinion of those millions of Mormons is just only that ...your own opinion...God has his own opinion, and thankfully, we can all rely on that...
Cut off the welfare payments, freeze the assets. I’m sure if there were true INTENT there would be solutions. I doubt there is true intent at present, and no, I don’t mean the Janet Reno solution. BTW, that was the Bill Clinton solution IMO. Side Note...I was living in Waco at the time.
I don’t know about any person, individually, anywhere in the entire world.
But I do know what God said about: false prophets, false religions, false teachers, and false doctrines.
And Mormonism is a false religion founded by a false prophet.
persistent to you and I have read your hostile opinions about the LDS.
When you attack one faith you really are attacking them for we all should be striving to lived our faith.
Excellent post, nic.
I apologize for not having formatted it properly....making it difficult to read. I inadvertently left out the “italicize” tags, except for the first item.
pby asked...
“Are you going to answer the question in regard to salvation...what is it and how does a non-Mormon obtain it?”
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And Resty answered...
“NO!
I wonder about anyone who would answer those who are hostile to their faith, that would share with them, things of great importance, and even scriptures admonish of doing such a thing.”
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The mormons here are hostile to my faith but I answer questions...
And I volunteer info about my faith even when I am not asked...
Because I am not ashamed of the Gospel of Jesus Christ...Romans 1:16, 17
And because Jesus commanded me to preach the Gospel.. Mark 16:15, 16
Very odd. I have never seen a Christain refuse to answer anyone on the question of Salvation. Is there a need for some secret handshake? Is this a Gnostic secret? Here is the Catholic view:
The Council of Trent describes the process of salvation from sin in the case of an adult with great minuteness (Sess. VI, v-vi).
It begins with the grace of God which touches a sinner’s heart, and calls him to repentance. This grace cannot be merited; it proceeds solely from the love and mercy of God. Man may receive or reject this inspiration of God, he may turn to God or remain in sin. Grace does not constrain man’s free will.
Thus assisted the sinner is disposed for salvation from sin; he believes in the revelation and promises of God, he fears God’s justice, hopes in his mercy, trusts that God will be merciful to him for Christ’s sake, begins to love God as the source of all justice, hates and detests his sins.
This disposition is followed by justification itself, which consists not in the mere remission of sins, but in the sanctification and renewal of the inner man by the voluntary reception of God’s grace and gifts, whence a man becomes just instead of unjust, a friend instead of a foe and so an heir according to hope of eternal life. This change happens either by reason of a perfect act of charity elicited by a well disposed sinner or by virtue of the Sacrament either of Baptism or of Penance according to the condition of the respective subject laden with sin. The Council further indicates the causes of this change. By the merit of the Most Holy Passion through the Holy Spirit, the charity of God is shed abroad in the hearts of those who are justified.
Against the heretical tenets of various times and sects we must hold
that the initial grace is truly gratuitous and supernatural;
that the human will remains free under the influence of this grace;
that man really cooperates in his personal salvation from sin;
that by justification man is really made just, and not merely declared or reputed so;
that justification and sanctification are only two aspects of the same thing, and not ontologically and chronologically distinct realities;
that justification excludes all mortal sin from the soul, so that the just man is no way liable to the sentence of death at God’s judgment-seat.
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/13407a.htm
So what is the LDS view?
My faith is none of your business...get it now?...and keep wondering about me...let whatever thoughts you may wish to make up, roll through your mind...
If you wish to believe that I am a Mormon, you would be indulging yourself in a falsehood...I have never been a Mormon, I am not a Mormon now, and I dont see the prospect of becoming a Mormon...
For all you know, I could be a Catholic(well, I am married to one), I was the organist for a Methodist church for many, many years), and today, I belong to no organized religion...I read and study the Bible each day, for help, for inspiration, for joy, for love of God, and for my own pure personal pleasure...and that is all you need to know...
Make up whatever stories about me you wish, I know the truth of my relationship with the Lord, and in that I am secure...whatever you may think of me, is just stuff that makes no difference to me, or to the Lord...
Sorry pby
# 235 was for you too
:)
This is all you personal opinion...it means nothing to me...
It is not my personal opinions; rather, the truth is, it is God’s Word that you reject.
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