YOU; my friend; are a PROPHET!!
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Posted on 02/22/2008 9:11:12 AM PST by Zakeet
They're called the "Lost Boys," the teenagers kicked out of their homes and communities by leaders of the polygamist Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints to ensure there's an ample supply of single, young women who will one day become plural wives. Representative Lorie Fowlke (R-Orem), is running a bill to make this abandonment a felony.
"Estimates are that we've had more than 1,000 children - primarily in southern Utah - thrown out of their homes," Fowlke says. "What we were trying to do with this bill is criminalize this behavior and send a message to this community that they can't just throw away their children."
H.B. 23 adds child abandonment to the definition of child abuse, and makes it a felony crime. It also adds an enhancement if a parent or organization benefits from the child's abandonment to further an illegal enterprise, such as polygamy. This is the case with the FLDS church, says Roger Hoole, a lawyer who represents some of the displaced young men and sits on the board for the Utah Association for Justice. He says the church benefits from kicking out young men who would compete for plural wives. This, he says, has devastating consequences.
"There's a huge impact that's coming, like a tsunami, that's going to hit the state of Utah, when these boys get a little older and realize what has happened to them and get angry," Hoole says. "There's a real problem here."
Fowlke's bill gained unanimous support in a Senate committee this morning, and now heads to the full Senate for consideration.
First thing I saw at that link was THIS:
"Council of the Gods in Ancient Literature and the Book of Abraham This article shows how anciently this concept was understood by the Jews, yet strangely the coherent understanding of this Council was left out of the scriptures, with only tatters of remnants in the Bible only recently recognized as a Council of the Gods, by Bible scholars. Remarkably Joseph Smith has included the entire concept in the Book of Abraham."
Compelling....NOT! .
There is a line though. A Mormon Romneybot claimed I was sexually excited by posting negative articles about Mitt. That was over the line and I complained. I thought that deserved a suspension but no, she cried ignorance.
Filthy minds come in all religions.
Yeah!
THAT’ll keep ya outta our hair for, oh, say a month or two!
—MormonDude(Skin that one: I’m runnin’ out to get you another one!)
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ROFLMBO
Statements made by Richard A. Parker, Wilbour Professor of Egyptology and Chairman of the Department of Egyptology at Brown University in the Dialogue: A Journal of Mormon Thought, Vol. 3, no. 2, Summer 1968, p. 86. :
"This is a well-known scene from the Osiris mysteries, with Anubis, the jackal-headed god, on the left ministering to the dead Osiris on the bier. THe penicilled(?) restoration is incorrect. Anubis should be jackal-headed. The left arm of Osiris is in reality lying at his side under him. THe apparent upper hand is part of the wing of a second bird which is hovering over the erect phallus of Osiris (now broken away). The second bird is Isis and she is magically impregnated by the dead Osiris and then later gives birth to Horus who avenges his father and takes over his inheritance. The complete bird represents Nephthys, sister to Osiris and Isis. Beneath the bier are the four canopic jars with heads representive of the four sons of Horus, human-headed Imseti, baboon-headed Hapy, jackal-headed Duamutef and falcon-headed Kebehsenuf. The hieroglyphs refer to burial, etc. ...."
Statements made by Klaus Baer, Associate Professor of Egyptology at the University of Chicago's Oriental Institute in the Dialogue: A Journal of Mormon Thought, Autumn 1968, pp. 118-119 :
Facsimile No. 2
Facsimile No. 2 is by far one of the most interesting of all of the facsimiles in my opinion. The facsimile no. 2 is a copy of a hypocephalus, an Egyptian funerary amulet that is placed under the head of the deceased. Its purpose was to keep the head warm.
Sir Wallis Budge, a world renowned Egyptologist, remarked that Joseph Smith's translation of the hypocephalus had "... no archeological value." (The Mummy, A Handbook of Egyptian Funerary Archeology, by E.A. Wallis Budge, 1989, [first published in 1893], by Dover Publications, Inc., New York, pg. 477.
Facsimile No. 2 has obviously been altered from the original. Missing portions of the facsimile were copied from other pieces of the papyri Joseph Smith had purchased in 1835. The central figure labeled (1) by Joseph Smith appears to have been copied from figure 2 of the same facsimile. Normally the a four headed Amen-Re appears in this location. Furthermore, figure 3 is an almost exact copy from the Joseph Smith Papyri IV. Also, portions of the outer circle of the facsimile appear to have been copied from the Sensen text of the Joseph Smith papyri XI. The Egyptian Alphabet and Grammar clearly shows these missing portions. Also, the Sensen (Book of Breathings) text lines up with the border of facsimile no. 2 .
What Some Egyptologists Say Last Updated February 14, 1997 Copyright © 1996, 1997, All Rights Reserved. Created by James David, engineer_my_dna@mindspring.com URL: http://www.mindspring.com/~engineer_my_dna/mormon/
good point
It is a good choir.
As you are probably aware, the issue has become convoluted, and therefore somewhat complex.
There are a significant number of rabbit trails to run down prior to getting to the substance of the issue.
While I am running down some rabbit trails...does it not bother you that language experts agree that Abraham is not mentioned in the funeral papyri, which is a contradiction to Joseph Smith's translation?
You don’t speak for everyone...
Popcorn placemarker ... waiting for the inevitable ‘The words in the translation were given by revelation, so there need not be corresponding text to support the translation’, which is what I used to get when I would ask where Smith got the thousands of extra words he added to Bible books like Genesis, at chapter 50.
You got less than half a screen of stuff.
WE gots TONS of words!
Guess who wins!
—MormonDude(hee hee)
does it not bother you that language experts agree that Abraham is not mentioned in the funeral papyri, which is a contradiction to Joseph Smith’s translation?
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Doesnt botherr me...
it does bother Joseph Smith though...
He wants his money back for those Learn-Egyptian-while-you-plural-marry lessons he took...
You don't even speak for yourSELF!
YOU; my friend; are a PROPHET!!
:)
It’s an ok choir. For a GOOD choir listen to St. Olaf’s.
THere is no comparison.
This game is puerile!
Hardly childish...
Elsie is our FR champion...
:)
I LOVE WHITACRE !! I have every piece downloaded. St Olaf does quite a bit of his music. So nice to know someone else loves his music.
Thank you for posting that link!
The article was quite amusing – beginning with its opening lines:
The [Mormon] Church always forthrightActually, as explained in great detail with annotations to dozens of examples HERE and HERE, the Mormon Church has engaged in a massive program of cover-up's and deception concerning Joseph's false translation of the papyrus scroll since it was exposed in a NY Times article in 1912. Among other things, the Church foisted off false experts who claimed Joseph's translation was accurate, and suppressed papyrus from Joseph Smith's collection.The Church has always been frank and open about what is on the papyri in its possession.
Continuing:
Oversimplifying the translation issuesThis award winning video, The Lost Book of Abraham does a wonderful example of answering those questions and much more. The video cites a number of prominent scholars who laugh at Smith's purported translation, insist there is no doubt concerning the content and interpretation of the document, and assert the text is complete. Dr. Robert K. Ritner, Professor of Egyptology at the University of Chicago, is cited most frequently in the film. I invite you to review Ritner's vitae HERE.The issues surrounding the translation of the Egyptian papyri that resulted in the Book of Abraham are much more complex than critics would like us to believe. Foremost, it is significant to realize that we don't have all the papyri that were originally owned by Joseph.
Perhaps best of all:
We know that ancient Israelites sometimes used Egyptian symbols to convey religious teachings.Yeah.
The same Jews only wrote in the Hebrew language and meticulously copied it and preserved it over centuries of persecution? The same Jews who found idolatrous Egyptian text an abomination?
Or, do you think it was more likely these Jews described in Joseph's famous PROPHECY:
The inspiration of God caused men to hunt for a new continent until Columbus discovered it. Men have lost millions of dollars and hundreds of lives to find a country beyond the north pole; and they will yet find that country - a warm, fruitful country, inhabited by the ten tribes of Israel, a country divided by a river, on one side of which lives the half tribe of Manasseh, which is more numerous than all the others. So said the Prophet.” (quoted in The Inhabitants of the Moon, O. B. Huntington The Young Woman's Journal, vol. 3, pages 263, 264.).Bottom Line:
Many have found FAIR to be a less than credible source for some of the reasons shown above. You would therefore probably be better served in future posts by not citing them as an authority.
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