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How Mormons Saw Romney -- In wooing evangelicals, he made some fellow LDS members uneasy
Newsweek ^ | February 8, 2008 | Sally Atkinson

Posted on 02/19/2008 4:46:10 PM PST by Zakeet

In his pursuit of the presidency, Mitt Romney held fast to his Mormon faith, though his religion remains controversial with evangelicals and some other Christians. But his determined (and ultimately futile) wooing of evangelicals led him to make some statements that didn't quite square with Mormon beliefs and culture. And the effort itself may have deepened the impression of him as inauthentic—even to some fellow Mormons.

Early in his presidential bid, Romney was asked what he thought of polygamy. Prompted by what they considered a divine revelation, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints discontinued the practice more than a century ago, and the church distances itself from polygamist "fundamentalists." But Romney went one step further, saying he couldn't "imagine anything more awful than polygamy." Many Mormons were privately taken aback. Mormons believe that, in its time, "plural marriage" was a commandment from God, and they are, as a group, fiercely proud of their ancestors, hundreds of whom practiced polygamy. (Romney's own great-grandfather had five wives.) LDS church members loathe the polygamy stereotypes and jokes bandied by outsiders. But hearing Romney—the most recognizable face of their faith these days—disavow it in those terms was mildly unsettling to LDS insiders.

Others were puzzled to hear Romney say he reads the Gideon Bible—a version popular with evangelicals: Mormons uniformly study the King James version, in a Salt Lake edition that is cross-referenced to all other Mormon scripture. "Seems like he just figured he had to say the safest, most Protestant thing he could think of—that was kind of annoying," says Russell Arben Fox, a Mormon professor of political science at Friends University in Wichita, Kans.

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To: Rock&RollRepublican
After all, it is this country's well-being which should be the ultimate benefactor of political jousting, not one's petty little ego.

How about TODAY's revelation about the smear campign going on about McCain?

621 posted on 02/21/2008 5:01:52 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: DelphiUser
.I Doubt they knew the name of Bethlehem as they had been gone many years...

GROAN!

Things that go HMmmm indeed!

622 posted on 02/21/2008 5:05:47 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Rameumptom; Zakeet
I just googled that comment and the only hit I came up with was your post here on FR. You have provided an inaccurate source reading of the comment. Funny how you can make a comment say something different than it does when you put a lot of editing brackets in there and cut sentences up into tiny little bits.

Source is the Salt Lake Tribune 12/22/2007

It is cached Here

In the interview with Boston's WCVB, a reporter asks Romney several questions about his faith in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, including how his faith would impact him if elected.
"Should God speak to you, and ask you to do something that might be in conflict with your duties as president, or should He speak to your prophet who would speak to you, how would you make that decision, how would you handle that?" reporter Natalie Jacobsen asks.
Romney laughs and then replies, "Well, I don't recall God speaking to me. I, I don't recall God speaking to anyone since, uh, Moses and the [burning] bush, or perhaps some others, but, but I don't have that frequent of communication."

Typical Mormon dissembling.

623 posted on 02/21/2008 5:11:44 AM PST by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: DelphiUser
You're ugly too

But I'm not TOO ugly!


you just enjoy splashing people...

WATCH OUT!!!

There's a WATERFALL ahead!

624 posted on 02/21/2008 5:14:26 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: DelphiUser
Have you heard of Quote mining?

Sure have!

It's used by those who wish to diminish or eliminate the fact that something undefendable has appeared in the record.

See Out of context

See Other than THAT, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you like the play?

625 posted on 02/21/2008 5:28:32 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: DelphiUser
I would also posit that Repentance is work, or it's not repentance.

Of course.

If you can get THAT inserted into the conversation, then the OTHER 'works' that the LDS Organization requires of those they deem 'worthy' will be easier to accept.

626 posted on 02/21/2008 5:30:57 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: DelphiUser
Interesting, what about John 17:22, you missed that one.

John 17:22. And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:

I assume that 'they' are the ones who believe the message?

If so, then those believers are 'one' just like 'we are one'?

627 posted on 02/21/2008 5:33:53 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: DelphiUser
 
For example, you are trying to claim victory by claiming it is "obvious" that you have won, this is a Hasty Generalization Fallacy.
 
HMmmm.....

http://scriptures.lds.org/en/js_h/1/19#19
  17 It no sooner appeared than I found myself delivered from the enemy which held me bound. When the light rested upon me I saw two Personages, whose brightness and glory defy all description, standing above me in the air. One of them spake unto me, calling me by name and said, pointing to the other—This is My Beloved Son. Hear Him!
  18 My object in going to inquire of the Lord was to know which of all the sects was right, that I might know which to join. No sooner, therefore, did I get possession of myself, so as to be able to speak, than I asked the Personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right (for at this time it had never entered into my heart that all were wrong)—and which I should join.
  19 I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: “they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.”
  20 He again forbade me to join with any of them; and many other things did he say unto me, which I cannot write at this time. When I came to myself again, I found myself lying on my back, looking up into heaven. When the light had departed, I had no strength; but soon recovering in some degree, I went home. And as I leaned up to the fireplace, mother inquired what the matter was. I replied, “Never mind, all is well—I am well enough off.” I then said to my mother,
“I have learned for myself that Presbyterianism is not true.” 
 
 

628 posted on 02/21/2008 5:36:10 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: restornu
Mary tell us how you test the spirits?

John told you how.

It's in the book you love.

629 posted on 02/21/2008 5:37:35 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
What WE are doing is showing that apparently what the LDS Organization believes NOW is different than what it 'believed' THEN. We merely want to show that there is no documentation for these changes.

And because of these undocumented changes, that have no basis in LDS scripture, and were not ordered "thus sayeth the Lord," they certainly cannot be seen as doctrinal.

Why would anyone follow them? Why would anyone listen at all to a current "prophet," when the next one down the road is going to say this one is mistaken and speaking as a man?

Talk about circular reasoning?

630 posted on 02/21/2008 5:37:42 AM PST by colorcountry (To anger a conservative, lie to him. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: restornu
Mary tell us how you test the spirits?

John told you how.

It's in the book you love.

History notes that Joseph Smith did NOT test the Personages.

631 posted on 02/21/2008 5:38:12 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: restornu
No I don’t go around being mean to people, but I will some times return in kind, or call them on it when they cross the Line!

Or let someone else use your keyboard.

632 posted on 02/21/2008 5:41:45 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: DelphiUser

What’s the fuss?

TRINITY is not found in the Nicean creed at all!


633 posted on 02/21/2008 5:43:57 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: restornu
BTW that cartoon was about the mascot for the Republican and the Democrat

But... it did not show the $$$ on the Mule's shorts.

634 posted on 02/21/2008 5:46:57 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
Here's one for the odd file.

Man arrested for forcing Temple jumpsuit on developmentally disabled man

635 posted on 02/21/2008 5:47:08 AM PST by colorcountry (To anger a conservative, lie to him. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: colorcountry

Yeah!

Done in only 96 minutes today!


636 posted on 02/21/2008 5:51:58 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

So wonderfully done!

(I guess you could take that in a couple of different ways)

,-)


637 posted on 02/21/2008 5:55:41 AM PST by colorcountry (To anger a conservative, lie to him. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Elsie

Yep. They are sitting smack dab in the Garden of Eden.


638 posted on 02/21/2008 6:03:44 AM PST by bonfire
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To: Zakeet

Damned if we do, damned if we don’t. Mitt isn’t running for President and we all highly doubt McCain will choose him for a running mate. Unless you all are getting a head start for the 2012 presidential campaign. No matter what we do or say, it isn’t right in many of your eyes. Well, that is OK. Ultimately, it is Jesus Christ who will determine who His shepherds were in this life.


639 posted on 02/21/2008 6:05:38 AM PST by Utah Girl
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To: Elsie

I’m not going to prove anything to you.


640 posted on 02/21/2008 6:10:23 AM PST by Old Mountain man (Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice!)
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