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Scientology is a newer religion than Mormonism...
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Don't make fun of them,
they have a right to have
their moronic beliefs respected.
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Posted on 02/19/2008 4:46:10 PM PST by Zakeet
In his pursuit of the presidency, Mitt Romney held fast to his Mormon faith, though his religion remains controversial with evangelicals and some other Christians. But his determined (and ultimately futile) wooing of evangelicals led him to make some statements that didn't quite square with Mormon beliefs and culture. And the effort itself may have deepened the impression of him as inauthentic—even to some fellow Mormons.
Early in his presidential bid, Romney was asked what he thought of polygamy. Prompted by what they considered a divine revelation, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints discontinued the practice more than a century ago, and the church distances itself from polygamist "fundamentalists." But Romney went one step further, saying he couldn't "imagine anything more awful than polygamy." Many Mormons were privately taken aback. Mormons believe that, in its time, "plural marriage" was a commandment from God, and they are, as a group, fiercely proud of their ancestors, hundreds of whom practiced polygamy. (Romney's own great-grandfather had five wives.) LDS church members loathe the polygamy stereotypes and jokes bandied by outsiders. But hearing Romney—the most recognizable face of their faith these days—disavow it in those terms was mildly unsettling to LDS insiders.
Others were puzzled to hear Romney say he reads the Gideon Bible—a version popular with evangelicals: Mormons uniformly study the King James version, in a Salt Lake edition that is cross-referenced to all other Mormon scripture. "Seems like he just figured he had to say the safest, most Protestant thing he could think of—that was kind of annoying," says Russell Arben Fox, a Mormon professor of political science at Friends University in Wichita, Kans.
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Scientology is a newer religion than Mormonism...
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Don't make fun of them,
they have a right to have
their moronic beliefs respected.
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So to the extent that Warren Jeffs & his followers acknowledge Christ as Savior, he & the others are also "Christians?"
(Well, thank you for your candid response on this)
http://scriptures.lds.org/en/js_h/1/19#19
17 It no sooner appeared than I found myself delivered from the enemy which held me bound. When the light rested upon me I saw two Personages, whose brightness and glory defy all description, standing above me in the air. One of them spake unto me, calling me by name and said, pointing to the other—This is My Beloved Son. Hear Him!
18 My object in going to inquire of the Lord was to know which of all the sects was right, that I might know which to join. No sooner, therefore, did I get possession of myself, so as to be able to speak, than I asked the Personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right (for at this time it had never entered into my heart that all were wrong)—and which I should join.
19 I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: “they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.”
20 He again forbade me to join with any of them; and many other things did he say unto me, which I cannot write at this time. When I came to myself again, I found myself lying on my back, looking up into heaven. When the light had departed, I had no strength; but soon recovering in some degree, I went home. And as I leaned up to the fireplace, mother inquired what the matter was. I replied, “Never mind, all is well—I am well enough off.” I then said to my mother, “I have learned for myself that Presbyterianism is not true.”
They are Christians to the extent they believe in Christ as their savior. But their “works” might give Him a little pause.
I spent all of the last two years teaching the Bible in Sunday School
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I’ve read the Bible for 60 years...
I could not live successfully without jesus and the Word of God..
Thy word is a lamp unto my feet and a light unto my path... Psalm 119-105, Psalm 1:1-3
The Bible is not meant to be light reading...or as a curiosity...
The Bible is the How to Operate Book and Instruction Manual that comes with a new baby..
Everything needed to be known to operate or repair a human being is contained in the Bible..
I( dont know howe people who do not read the Bible have managed to make it thus far..
HMmmm...
Your founder wasn't of your mindset.
So what. You, I assume, are Protestant of some denomination. You wouldn’t be a Protestant unless your forebears hadn’t rejected Catholicism as “corrupt.”
These anti-Romney people are secretly sorry he dropped out of the race.
Now they no longer have anyplace to direct their venom.
They certainly didn't support any candidate.
They only lived to destroy, which is a trait more in tune with leftist ideology than conservatism.
To me, that is the saddest legacy of this '08 primary, more so than the fact we ended up with McCain.
True.
I've always wondered how someone like this could have EVER had a PRO-abortion stand to change from!
--Joseph Goebbels
Which Christ?
This is from the LDS President who is also a Prophet; Gordon B. Hinckley.In bearing testimony of Jesus Christ, President Hinckley spoke of those outside the Church who say Latter-day Saints "do not believe in the traditional Christ.”No, I don't. The traditional Christ of whom they speak is not the Christ of whom I speak. – Prophet Gordon B. Hinckley, LDS Church News, June 20, 1998, p.7
Do you agree with what he said?
“Mormons uniformly study the King James version, in a Salt Lake edition that is cross-referenced to all other Mormon scripture. “
Not true. Mormons in Sweden use the Bible that is standard for the Swedish Lutheran Church.
It means that people get really involved in politics on this forum and lose perspective sometimes... that's what it means.
It means you can slay your own dragons here in FRland.
We are constantly instructed not to criticize the religions of others. We teach our own doctrine, and the foundations for it. We also teach the historical apostasy — the same apostasy that give rise to your Protestantism. And then we teach, not just “protest” against said apostasy, but restoration of the church Christ established.
When we speak of “apostasy,” we have a very specific meaning. We mean the changing of fundamental doctrines ultimately resulting in the loss of priesthood authority which Christ had bestowed on his apostles. The restoration includes the restoration of priesthood authority and ordinances.
But we don’t mean by “apostasy” that the Light of Christ was gone out of every good person attempting to follow Christ, through whatever sect of Christianity exists. Much truth remained after the apostasy, but not all, and no authority.
Well, I’ve read the Bible since I learned to read at the age of 3 — about 58 years. The last two years was just my most recent stint at teaching it.
Oh??
How do you know he was CORRECT??
History has shown that NO religious activity was taking place in the area that JS claimed it was.
Do you have any data to disprove that?
Question: Are all "Mormons" "Mormons"--whether or not "fundamentalist" is tagged on as a qualifier? Post 128.
Your post I don’t know that much about fundamentalist doctrine. But, to the extent they acknowledge Christ as their Savior, they are also Christians seems to address only the question regarding the Christianity of fundamentalists. and seems to ignore the "fundamentalist=mormon" question altogether. So, are fundamentalists such as Jeffs and the Allreds mormons? As a matter of fact, are the members of the formerly named "Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints" mormons? I keep seeing claims that mormons are Christian because Christ is in the name.
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Age Year |
Pillar of light |
No. of Person- ages |
Father Present |
Son Present |
Question: Join What Sect? |
Remarks-References |
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1. Offical version, written 1838,
first Published 1842
(There are minor differences between the various source references,
Ensign Jan 1985, page 14)
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14
1820 |
yes | 2 |
yes
Both spoke |
yes |
Join none |
Lucy, Hyrum, Samuel, Sophronia join the Presbyterian Church - JSH, pages 49-50, 1981 edition;
Times & Seasons, March, April 1842;
Ensign Jan. 1985, page 14;
Joseph Smith's First Vision by
Milton V. Backamn, Bookcraft, 1971, 1980, Appendix C, page 160f
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| 2. Dictated by Smith to F.G. Williams, Summer to Nov. 1832 | 14 or 15 | yes |
1 | no |
yes Saw Lord, He "spoke" |
No question,
told "None doeth good",
sins forgiven
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Joseph Smith's First Vision, Appendix A, page 155f |
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3. Written by Smith,
his 1832 diary,
in his own hand
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15 |
yes |
1 |
no |
yes Saw the Lord Jesus Christ |
No question,
told sins forgiven,
all do no good
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Ensign, Dec. 1984, pages 24-26; ibid, Jan. 1985, page 11 |
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4. Smith's diary of 1835,
recorded by
Warren Cowdery,
Nov. 9, 1835, conversation of Smith with Joshua
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About 14 |
yes |
One, then another like unto first |
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Second spoke, saw many angels
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No questions,
told sins forgiven,
Jesus is Son
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Joseph Smith's First Vision, Appen. B |
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5. Letter form Smith to
John Wentworth,
editor of Chicago Democrat
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none |
no |
2 |
? They spoke |
? |
No Question |
Joseph Smith's First Vision, Appendix D;
Ensign, Jan 1985, page 16;
Times & Seasons, Vol 3, pages 706-707, March 1, 1842
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6. Early church leaders
Brigham Young, G.A.Smith,
John Taylor
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15 |
no |
1 Saw an angel, and asked the angel |
no |
no |
Join none |
See Journal of Discourses,
2:17;
18:239;
13:77, 78;
20:167;
12:333, 334.
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