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Defining Evangelicalism Down
Townhall.com ^ | 2/12/08 | Paul Edwards

Posted on 02/14/2008 4:28:15 PM PST by Terriergal

The Religious Left is successfully redefining what it means to be a conservative evangelical by misrepresenting what it means to be a conservative evangelical. In a recent conference call hosted by Faith in Public Life, one of the emerging voices of the Religious Left, Dr. Joel Hunter, said:

There’s also a change in the voices that are defining what is conservative now, and what is evangelical. In the past couple of decades you’ve had some very loud voices on both sides – hard right, hard left – and when those were the only choices, then of course many evangelicals are going to go with the hard right because, well, that’s kind of where we mostly are. Now there are many more voices that are expanding the agenda, and so those people that have always had kind of a holistic approach, rather than just a one or two issue approach, are now feeling permission and given permission to be more nuanced and more sophisticated in their approach, rather than just going in a very bifurcated system. And so, what you’re hearing now is that the old voices that appointed themselves as the definers of what was evangelical or what was conservative are not holding sway with the majority of evangelicals anymore.

By convincing America that conservative evangelicals are concerned only with two issues, stopping abortion and preserving traditional marriage, these new voices of evangelicalism are effectively making the case that conservative evangelicals ignore poverty, HIV/AIDS, and the environment. The history of evangelicalism tells a different story.

Evangelicals have set the standard throughout history for social action which continues into the present through numerous humanitarian relief organizations. The Association of Evangelical Relief and Development Organizations claim 64 such organizations as members, including World Vision, Compassion International, Samaritan’s Purse, and Mercy Ships.

One of the largest humanitarian relief organizations in the world is the Salvation Army. It defines its commitment to social services as “…an outward visible expression of the Army's strong religious principles.” Those social services include disaster relief, services for the aging, AIDS education, medical facilities, and shelters for battered women. The Salvation Army impacts 30 million people a year in the United States alone. The founder of the Salvation Army, William Booth, was a Methodist minister. On its website the Salvation Army defines itself as an “evangelical group.”

To these readily recognizable evangelical organizations add the innumerable evangelical churches across America that in very quiet and unrecognized ways minister to the needs of the poor and suffering every day. In my own community a local evangelical church runs the oldest and largest homeless shelter in our county. Grace Gospel Fellowship in Pontiac, Michigan serves 127,000 meals a year, provides rehabilitation services and housing for drug addicts and single mothers, and creates jobs. It accomplishes its mission without one dime of government funding, and is “dedicated to recovery through the Gospel of Jesus Christ.”

The Religious Left’s appeal for the Religious Right to “broaden its agenda” to include poverty, HIV/AIDS, and the environment ignores the fact that conservative evangelicals have always had a strong commitment to these issues. So if conservative evangelicals are already leading the efforts to relieve poverty and disease, what’s behind the call to “broaden the agenda”? Another agenda altogether.

What’s really happening here is an attempt by the Left to define evangelicalism down by moving it away from its emphasis on the power of the gospel to change lives. The church’s ability to affect social and cultural change, bringing relief to the poor and suffering, is rooted first and foremost in its commitment to the gospel of Jesus Christ, and what the gospel says about the condition of man in sin which results in the symptoms of poverty and disease.

The Religious Left invalidates the conservative evangelical commitment to humanitarian relief because we are achieving our ends in the name of Jesus Christ through the gospel, without the assistance of government funding. The fundamental tenant of modern liberalism is that a government program funded by redistributed wealth is the preferred method of humanitarian relief rather than what the church is accomplishing by faith through compassionate hearts.

The new voices of the Religious Left – Rick Warren,  Joel Hunter, Tony Campolo, Jim Wallis, et al – are defining down what it means to be an evangelical by making the symptoms of man’s sin (poverty, disease, etc.) a priority rather than addressing the cause of those symptoms (sin) and the cure found in the gospel of Jesus Christ.

The argument for this reprioritizing is a convincing one, suggesting the new priorities for evangelicals ought to be determined by asking, “How would Jesus respond to (fill in your favorite social cause here)?” The implied answer is that Jesus would be more concerned about the treatment of the poor (especially illegal immigrants) and, at best, neutral on the questions of abortion and homosexual marriage because Jesus never spoke against abortion or homosexual marriage.

These new voices of evangelicalism wear the label “red letter Christians,” but they are in reality “white space Christians,” determining Jesus’ view of abortion and homosexual marriage by focusing on what he didn’t say rather than on what he did say. In Matthew 5 Jesus upholds the standard of the Mosaic Law, which is clear in its call for punishing anyone responsible for killing a child in the womb (Exodus 21:22-25). When Jesus wanted to illustrate true greatness, he set a child in the midst of the disciples and said, “Of such is the kingdom of heaven” (Matthew 19:14). In Matthew 19 Jesus clearly affirmed that marriage is between one man and one woman by validating the story of Adam and Eve, holding it up as the standard for marriage. As for the question of how Jesus would respond to illegal immigrants, I’m pretty sure he would tell them to obey the law (cf. Matthew 22:21).

The new voices of evangelicalism sound eerily similar to the old voices of the social gospel movement who moved their churches away from the priority of the gospel in the early 20th Century, focusing instead on positive thinking and welfare as a solution to social ills. The result was empty pews and even emptier hearts. I’ll tip my hat to the new constitution, take a bow for the new revolution, then I’ll get down on my knees and pray we don’t get fooled again (with apologies to Pete Townshend).


TOPICS: Apologetics; Evangelical Christian; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: apostasy; evangelicals; joelhunter; religiousleft; socialgospel
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To: muawiyah
I hear ya. THere but for God's grace go I. All of us would have been crying out 'crucify him' too... just a few days after welcoming him into the city with praises. Statistically speaking the odds are good you'd do no differently than the average German under the same conditions.

Thank you. I wouldn't be so foolish as to say I know for sure i'd pass that test.

There are always a few Schindlers around, but not nearly enough.

Interestingly enough, he wasn't a believer was he?

And others might castigate him for profiting off of cheap labor and that that was the only reason he saved those Jews. Well, we realize it was more than that. But the stress of it all seems to have ruined him in the end (as I heard).

41 posted on 02/15/2008 10:11:52 AM PST by Terriergal ("I am ashamed that women are so simple To offer war where they should kneel for peace," Shakespeare)
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To: Alex Murphy
Alex, how can you transform culture when we are told 'enter by the narrow gate' and 'FEW there be that find it.'?

We may win small political battles, but overall we are promised the culture is going south. The battle belongs to the Lord.

Satan can also transform culture, and much more effectively:

What would things look like if Satan actually took over a city? The first frames in our imaginative slide show probably depict mayhem on a massive scale: Widespread violence, deviant sexualities, pornography in every vending machine, churches closed down and worshipers dragged off to City Hall. Over a half-century ago, Donald Grey Barnhouse, pastor of Philadelphia's Tenth Presbyterian Church, gave his CBS radio audience a different picture of what it would look like if Satan took control of a town in America. He said that all of the bars and pool halls would be closed, pornography banished, pristine streets and sidewalks would be occupied by tidy pedestrians who smiled at each other. There would be no swearing. The kids would answer "Yes, sir," "No, ma'am," and the churches would be full on Sunday ... where Christ is not preached.

Not to be alarmist, but it looks a lot like Satan is in charge right now. The enemy has a subtle way of using even the proper scenery and props to obscure the main character. The church, mission, cultural transformation, even the Spirit can become the focus instead of the means for "fixing our eyes on Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith" (Heb. 12:2).

42 posted on 02/15/2008 10:19:13 AM PST by Terriergal ("I am ashamed that women are so simple To offer war where they should kneel for peace," Shakespeare)
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To: Alex Murphy

oops that was from

http://www.modernreformation.org/default.php?page=articledisplay&var1=ArtRead&var2=1&var3=main


43 posted on 02/15/2008 10:19:47 AM PST by Terriergal ("I am ashamed that women are so simple To offer war where they should kneel for peace," Shakespeare)
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To: Eva

Actually the only ones saying they’re only concerned about homosexuality and abortion are the left. saying it about the right. I would say they are makng use of a little fallacious reasoning.

I don’t like Huckabee either but I don’t think his supporters only care about one or two issues, as a whole.


44 posted on 02/15/2008 10:21:51 AM PST by Terriergal ("I am ashamed that women are so simple To offer war where they should kneel for peace," Shakespeare)
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To: Terriergal
He said that all of the bars and pool halls would be closed, pornography banished, pristine streets and sidewalks would be occupied by tidy pedestrians who smiled at each other. There would be no swearing. The kids would answer "Yes, sir," "No, ma'am," and the churches would be full on Sunday ... where Christ is not preached.

These are the sort of distinctions made by Pastors who are, indeed, ashamed that their preaching of Christ hasn't yielded any of the fruit that would indeed look very similar to the picture being painted. In other words, these are meaningless distinctions made by lazy followers of Christ's message. If we really are following him, the fruit will be seen in the culture itself. If we are filling up stadiums with men raising their hands and hearing "Jesus preached," why are we will electing Obama, Hillary or John McCain? It doesn't follow.

The John MacArthur types are the preachers who don't really want to be tested for signs of regeneration in their flocks--because they know they'll come up short.
45 posted on 02/15/2008 11:16:35 AM PST by farmer18th (Conservatives who vote McCain are like abused dogs who keep licking their master's hand...)
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To: farmer18th

Ha, Well Jesus was pretty successful then. The whole world seemed to love and accept him and the apostles.


46 posted on 02/15/2008 11:18:35 AM PST by Terriergal ("I am ashamed that women are so simple To offer war where they should kneel for peace," Shakespeare)
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To: Terriergal
Ha, Well Jesus was pretty successful then. The whole world seemed to love and accept him and the apostles.

Forgive me, but that just shows historical ignorance. Prior to Jesus, most of the globe was full of animists, cannibals, infanticides, and worse. After Jesus, the march of civilization has been bringing us closer and closer to the "Kingdom of Heaven" He promised was "at hand." The "government will be upon His shoulder." History has shown that whever His word goes the promises of Deut 28 are played out. To believe something else is to make Christ a "king in waiting," a weakling. John MacArthur preach a weakling Christ and a well-fed pastor with a nice sancturay and a great book and tape ministry.
47 posted on 02/15/2008 11:21:51 AM PST by farmer18th (Conservatives who vote McCain are like abused dogs who keep licking their master's hand...)
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To: farmer18th; Alex Murphy
Jan and Paul Crouch are dominionists/believe we can change culture for Christ too.


48 posted on 02/15/2008 11:22:22 AM PST by Terriergal ("I am ashamed that women are so simple To offer war where they should kneel for peace," Shakespeare)
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To: Terriergal

Compare Christ’s lunatic fringe to Mohammed’s, and then choose Maine or Mauritania as your place of residence.


49 posted on 02/15/2008 11:23:55 AM PST by farmer18th (Conservatives who vote McCain are like abused dogs who keep licking their master's hand...)
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To: farmer18th; Calvinist_Dark_Lord; ears_to_hear
Prior to Jesus, most of the globe was full of animists, cannibals, infanticides, and worse.

Yeah now human beings are SO much better. Give me a break.

speaking of historical ignorance and ignorance of the depravity of man and ignorance of Scripture~! Is that semipelagianism I smell?

Rick Warren is a great success in 'transforming culture' -- and Jim Wallis believes his Christian marxism can transform culture too, Brian Mclaren also believes it. Anyone who thinks we can transform culture is ignorant of Scripture. There will be no return to Eden.

50 posted on 02/15/2008 11:30:15 AM PST by Terriergal ("I am ashamed that women are so simple To offer war where they should kneel for peace," Shakespeare)
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To: farmer18th; Terriergal

I’ll take the John MacArthurs over the leftist Rick Warrens any time.


51 posted on 02/15/2008 11:32:19 AM PST by TommyDale (Never forget the Republicans who voted for illegal immigrant amnesty in 2007!)
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To: Terriergal

I’ll give you a choice then: you can take pre-Christian Britain, Gladiator Rome, Aztec Mexico, or 21st Century Australia. You choose. Which era do you feel safest in—and why?


52 posted on 02/15/2008 11:35:21 AM PST by farmer18th (Conservatives who vote McCain are like abused dogs who keep licking their master's hand...)
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To: TommyDale
I’ll take the John MacArthurs over the leftist Rick Warrens any time.

I would too, but they are both imposters. A New England Congregationalist pastor of 1775 would have cleaned their clock, intellectually, culturally, and spiritually.
53 posted on 02/15/2008 11:36:41 AM PST by farmer18th (Conservatives who vote McCain are like abused dogs who keep licking their master's hand...)
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To: farmer18th; TommyDale

The time period is irrelevant. God calls us to live the same in each time period, in season and out. (e.g. preaching the gospel when it is favorable and when it is not).

Hey, constantine turned the whole roman world Christian. Unless you’re Roman Catholic I don’t think you’d agree that was necessarily a good thing.

Regardless of what time period I would CHOOSE to live in, we are not called to transform culture but to preach the word in season and out. So apparently there will be no lasting ‘peace.’ since the Bible expects us to find that “evil men and impostors will proceed from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived.” 2 Tim 3:13

And there is coming a great tribulation (unless you’re a full preterist, in which case you still aren’t promised the transformation of culture before the return of Christ).

To suggest otherwise is to go against Scripture. Period. We may win small battles here and there, but the primary battle is not social justice, the primary battle is for the truth of the gospel to go out and transform HEARTS... the ones God is calling to himself.


54 posted on 02/15/2008 11:46:47 AM PST by Terriergal ("I am ashamed that women are so simple To offer war where they should kneel for peace," Shakespeare)
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To: farmer18th

Do you like Darwin Fish and Fred Phelps then?


55 posted on 02/15/2008 11:47:33 AM PST by Terriergal ("I am ashamed that women are so simple To offer war where they should kneel for peace," Shakespeare)
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To: Terriergal
Do you like Darwin Fish and Fred Phelps then?

Cheap shot. You're on the ropes or you wouldn't be arguing with the Crouch family in your arsenal. The Christ you are preaching isn't The King. He's a "someday god," you can use to keep Christians in their ghettos and happy they aren't required to demonstrate the fruits of conversion. The simple fact is that time is critically important. The whole idea of being "born again" occurs in time. Cultures and society are no different. You didn't answer the time and place question because it would force you to conclude that societies subject to Christ's word are more prosperous, more peaceful, more loving than those who have not heard His word.
56 posted on 02/15/2008 11:55:54 AM PST by farmer18th (Conservatives who vote McCain are like abused dogs who keep licking their master's hand...)
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To: farmer18th

Discuss the issues all you want, but do NOT make it personal.


57 posted on 02/15/2008 11:57:14 AM PST by Religion Moderator
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To: Religion Moderator

I didn’t. I was talking about 1940s Lutherans when the complaint was made.


58 posted on 02/15/2008 11:58:16 AM PST by farmer18th (Conservatives who vote McCain are like abused dogs who keep licking their master's hand...)
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To: farmer18th
From your post:

You didn't answer the time and place question because it would force you to conclude that societies subject to Christ's word are more prosperous, more peaceful, more loving than those who have not heard His word.

Attributing motives - or otherwise reading the mind of another Freeper - is "making it personal."

Click on my profile page for more guidelines pertaining to the Religion Forum.

59 posted on 02/15/2008 12:01:33 PM PST by Religion Moderator
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To: Religion Moderator

Fair enough, but my correspondent’s speculation that I’m a Fred Phelps supporter doesn’t fall in the same category?


60 posted on 02/15/2008 12:04:20 PM PST by farmer18th (Conservatives who vote McCain are like abused dogs who keep licking their master's hand...)
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