[farmer18th]

Ha, Well Jesus was pretty successful then. The whole world seemed to love and accept him and the apostles.

Forgive me, but that just shows historical ignorance. Prior to Jesus, most of the globe was full of animists, cannibals, infanticides, and worse. After Jesus, the march of civilization has been bringing us closer and closer to the "Kingdom of Heaven" He promised was "at hand." The "government will be upon His shoulder." History has shown that whever His word goes the promises of Deut 28 are played out. To believe something else is to make Christ a "king in waiting," a weakling. John MacArthur preach a weakling Christ and a well-fed pastor with a nice sancturay and a great book and tape ministry.

[Terriergal]

Prior to Jesus, most of the globe was full of animists, cannibals, infanticides, and worse.

Yeah now human beings are SO much better. Give me a break.

speaking of historical ignorance and ignorance of the depravity of man and ignorance of Scripture~! Is that semipelagianism I smell?

Rick Warren is a great success in 'transforming culture' -- and Jim Wallis believes his Christian marxism can transform culture too, Brian Mclaren also believes it. Anyone who thinks we can transform culture is ignorant of Scripture. There will be no return to Eden.

[TommyDale]

I’ll take the John MacArthurs over the leftist Rick Warrens any time.