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To: dangus

I guess Strong’s concordance is worthless? In Matthew 16:18, “thou art petros (G4074) and upon this petra (G4073) I will build my church”.

What about all the other scripture Oppenhiemer listed showing that Christ is the chief corner stone, etc. upon which the church is built? If the church was built on Peter, why did he not act like a pope and why did Christ not proclaim His church as the church of Peter?


6 posted on 01/31/2008 6:37:25 PM PST by Manfred the Wonder Dawg (Test ALL things, hold to that which is True.)
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To: Manfred the Wonder Dawg
why did Christ not proclaim His church as the church of Peter

We don't call ourselves the "church of Peter" to this day, Manfred. We don't call ourselves the "church of Benedict," either.

You will, however, find the phrase "the church of Christ" used frequently in Catholic documents. Not referring to the Protestant denominations which go by that name, either.

8 posted on 01/31/2008 6:57:10 PM PST by Campion
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To: Manfred the Wonder Dawg

Yes, in this regard, it’s flat -out wrong.

>> If the church was built on Peter, why did he not act like a pope and why did Christ not proclaim His church as the church of Peter? <<

Did Pope Benedict declare it the church of Benedict? And how would you call “act like a pope?” Didn’t he single-handedly brush aside kosher law? Isn’t he quoted more than three times as much as all other disciples put together? Read Luke. Once Jesus chooses him as the Rock, no other disciple (except Judas) talks to Jesus, except through him or in conjunction with him. They even ask questions THROUGH him. And which disciple was told by the Good Shepherd, “Shepherd my sheep?”

There were three special apostles, Peter, James and John. John was entrusted with the care of Jesus’ mother, Mary; James would be head of the local church in Jerusalem, the birthplace of Christianity. And Peter would be head of the universal church in Rome.


19 posted on 01/31/2008 8:06:29 PM PST by dangus
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To: Manfred the Wonder Dawg

Oh, and I forgot this one: The bible calls Peter, “primus,” EVERY time the disciples are listed (four times). That could mean first in importance, or first in time. But we KNOW for a FACT Peter was not the first in time.


20 posted on 01/31/2008 8:08:05 PM PST by dangus
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To: Manfred the Wonder Dawg

They changed the words...again.


37 posted on 01/31/2008 10:18:11 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Manfred the Wonder Dawg

**I guess Strong’s concordance is worthless? **

Not really, but it is from a Protestant point of view.


40 posted on 01/31/2008 10:25:13 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Manfred the Wonder Dawg
If the church was built on Peter, why did he not act like a pope

you mean, like, why did he not travel the known world, preaching God?

because that's what the Popes do.

A lot of Protestant diatribes against the Papacy are based on the papacy of the middle ages, especially the corrupted Papacy of Alexander VI --> remember, the very fact that The Church has survived, INSPITE of such disgraced shephards, tells us that God leads it as a whole. The Pope is no more than God's instrument on earth.
48 posted on 02/01/2008 12:28:11 AM PST by Cronos ("Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant" - Omar Ahmed, CAIR)
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