[Forest Keeper]

FK: ””While God could have ordained whatever He wanted, He chose to ordain the Passion and put it into prophecy. That also ordained the evil that went with it.””

The Crucifixion was the only time that God gave man the power to do anything to Him and man CHOOSE to Crucify Him.

REALLY??? What about the scourging, the crown of thorns, the spitting, the name calling, the false trial, etc. etc.? I have studied what Roman scourging really was and taught an adult Sunday School class on it one time. It was alternatively used by Romans as its own method of execution, but was frequently used as a precursor to crucifixion. They had a physician on site to determine how much was "too much" in order to keep the victim alive to be later crucified. What you saw in the "Passion of the Christ" was the real deal. That was not overblown at all. There were many many sins committed against Christ during this time and they were ALL ordained by God.

[stfassisi]

REALLY??? What about the scourging, the crown of thorns, the spitting, the name calling, the false trial, etc. etc.? I have studied what Roman scourging really was and taught an adult Sunday School class on it one time. It was alternatively used by Romans as its own method of execution, but was frequently used as a precursor to crucifixion. They had a physician on site to determine how much was "too much" in order to keep the victim alive to be later crucified. What you saw in the "Passion of the Christ" was the real deal. That was not overblown at all. There were many many sins committed against Christ during this time

When I said Crucifixion ,I meant everything associated with it as you stated above.Sorry for being unclear.

I have no idea how you're attaching the idea of the Passion being overblown?

[kosta50]

What you saw in the "Passion of the Christ" was the real deal. That was not overblown at all.

I doubt that. I don't know how much you know about medicine, but there is something called shock from blood loss. Never mind the fact that Jesus was afterwards throwin in the dungeon and then crowned with thorns that caused additional bleeding (head bleed a great deal), and was shown chained standing all night long. Under such cirmcumstances (hypooxygenation, dehydration, hypovolemic and hypostatic shock) the kidneys and other organ functions would have simply shut down, FK.