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To: Forest Keeper
So I say that Jesus had Mary's DNA flowing all through Him. He was fully human and did not have the sin nature.

But women don't have the Y chromosome (except in special cases) and the X chromosome that a girl got from her father somewhere back along the line was randomly obtained from one of his predecessor's mothers. The point that Morris was making was that Mary's flesh was sinful human flesh and, being sinful, could not have been perfect and since it was not perfect, could not have been the source of his human body since as the perfect lamb of God he had to be without defect in order to be a perfect sacrifice for humanity.
6,024 posted on 06/01/2008 10:33:34 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: aruanan; kosta50; MarkBsnr; stfassisi; Dr. Eckleburg; irishtenor
FK: "So I say that Jesus had Mary's DNA flowing all through Him. He was fully human and did not have the sin nature."

But women don't have the Y chromosome (except in special cases) and the X chromosome that a girl got from her father somewhere back along the line was randomly obtained from one of his predecessor's mothers.

I honestly don't know if original sin is a blood born pathogen or not. :) What I do know is that for SOME reason Adam gets all the responsibility for original sin, even though Eve sinned first. So, I surmise, that whatever that reason is IS also the reason why original sin is passed down through the father only, WHATEVER the mechanics of that are.

The point that Morris was making was that Mary's flesh was sinful human flesh and, being sinful, could not have been perfect and since it was not perfect, could not have been the source of his human body since as the perfect lamb of God he had to be without defect in order to be a perfect sacrifice for humanity.

For the sake of argument, and I'm just speculating here, but it would seem to make sense to me that if we first accept that Mary's flesh was sinful, that at the precise moment that Mary's DNA met with whatever DNA the Holy Spirit contributed to form Jesus, that the Spirit's DNA would have purified Mary's (egg), resulting in a purified embryo. God purifies.

So I see no stretch in supposing that whatever corruption Mary was bringing to the table was erased immediately upon being touched by the Holy Spirit's "DNA". The same would apply to the nutrients that flowed from Mary to Jesus in the womb. That Jesus was simply physically surrounded by the rest of her corrupted flesh is irrelevant since He spent His whole life being surrounded by, and closely touching, the same thing. I admit I have no scripture for this, but it beats the alternatives of having Jesus not being fully human, OR, Jesus being born with original sin. :)

6,029 posted on 06/02/2008 2:11:18 AM PDT by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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To: aruanan; Forest Keeper
But women don't have the Y chromosome (except in special cases) and the X chromosome that a girl got from her father somewhere back along the line was randomly obtained from one of his predecessor's mothers

That's right, and by that fact alone Jesus would have not been a male. Obviously, Incarnation was not a simple genetic process involved in the conception of human beings but a supernatural act. Which makes us wonder how can Jesus then be a 100% human like the rest of us.

We have had this discussion on another thread and the answer FK came up with was that the Holy Spirit "fashioned" a Y chromosome but didn't say whose? LOL!

The point that Morris was making was that Mary's flesh was sinful human flesh and, being sinful, could not have been perfect and since it was not perfect, could not have been the source of his human body since as the perfect lamb of God he had to be without defect in order to be a perfect sacrifice for humanity

Look, the way the Church circumvented this issue was that Mary was cleansed of all sin at the moment of this supernatural conception, so the sinfulness of her flesh is irrelevant.

Just as God could make (actually fashion, sculpt) man out of mud with His own "hands," and by bretahing His breath into him made him a living man, the same can apply to woman's flesh, after it has been previously cleansed of sin. Obviously, the material from which a man was fashioned by God is irrelevant.

Thowing in genetics is pointless. God doens't have to follow genetic laws, but it also takes a leap of faith to believe all this really happened. Rather it is obvious that these stories simply reflect the common beliefs of the time.

6,039 posted on 06/02/2008 8:09:41 AM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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