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To: aruanan; Forest Keeper
But women don't have the Y chromosome (except in special cases) and the X chromosome that a girl got from her father somewhere back along the line was randomly obtained from one of his predecessor's mothers

That's right, and by that fact alone Jesus would have not been a male. Obviously, Incarnation was not a simple genetic process involved in the conception of human beings but a supernatural act. Which makes us wonder how can Jesus then be a 100% human like the rest of us.

We have had this discussion on another thread and the answer FK came up with was that the Holy Spirit "fashioned" a Y chromosome but didn't say whose? LOL!

The point that Morris was making was that Mary's flesh was sinful human flesh and, being sinful, could not have been perfect and since it was not perfect, could not have been the source of his human body since as the perfect lamb of God he had to be without defect in order to be a perfect sacrifice for humanity

Look, the way the Church circumvented this issue was that Mary was cleansed of all sin at the moment of this supernatural conception, so the sinfulness of her flesh is irrelevant.

Just as God could make (actually fashion, sculpt) man out of mud with His own "hands," and by bretahing His breath into him made him a living man, the same can apply to woman's flesh, after it has been previously cleansed of sin. Obviously, the material from which a man was fashioned by God is irrelevant.

Thowing in genetics is pointless. God doens't have to follow genetic laws, but it also takes a leap of faith to believe all this really happened. Rather it is obvious that these stories simply reflect the common beliefs of the time.

6,039 posted on 06/02/2008 8:09:41 AM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50; aruanan
We have had this discussion on another thread and the answer FK came up with was that the Holy Spirit "fashioned" a Y chromosome but didn't say whose? LOL!

Well, if you don't like that answer, then either Jesus was not fully human, or at best Mary was only a surrogate mother. Does the Church consider Mary only a surrogate? Plus, if Mary was only a surrogate then prophecy is broken since Jesus did not come from the Davidic line. "Son of David" would be a complete lie.

Throwing in genetics is pointless. God doesn't have to follow genetic laws, but it also takes a leap of faith to believe all this really happened. Rather it is obvious that these stories simply reflect the common beliefs of the time.

Then what do YOU think really happened?

6,069 posted on 06/02/2008 4:48:38 PM PDT by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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