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To: Lord_Calvinus; Dr. Eckleburg
The LORD himself pronounced the curse: So the LORD God said,... you are cursed...

He said that to the serpent. Strange, however, given that it was an animal and not human, that God would hold the serpent morally accountable.

He cursed the ground for Adam's sake because Adam did not repent. God cannot bless our sins. When we sin, it is a curse, not a blessing.

Unfortunately, you stand AGAINST the Bible and the Lord’s Church

And you stand for what? "Official truth?"

Do you honestly think that puny little man could somehow curse all of Creation

Yes, we keep on polluting and abusing the creation around us and our freedom through sin. I never said all of creation. Only that part where can exercise our sinful will.

Apostle Paul (Rom 8:22) and many a Church Father said that the whole creation groaned under sin, but I don't think they were thinking of the whole universe.

Kosta: Then read Gen 6:6. Why was He “sorry?” Because things were going His way?

LC: Again, if you want to believe that the creation was cursed against God’s will, then you are free to believe it if you want

Of course, you didn't answer my question. because the verse is clear that God "repented" ("regretted") having made man. WHY would he regret anything that was His plan and doing all along?

Since it is clear that the LORD spoke the curse do you think Satan or Adam was holding the “gun” to God’s head?

I have no idea what you are talking about. First of all, it wasn't "Satan" but a serpent, a crafty animal.

Satan appears again in Job and doesn't seem to be under any "curse," eating dust and crawling on his belly.

Second, in Gen 6;6 God expresses regret for having created man, because man turned out to be so wicked. Obviously man had something to do with that, not God.

Do you really think an anthropomorphism means that somehow God’s purposes and plans have been defeated by man?

The only human who defeated God was Jacob /sar/. Man can only defeat himself.

So, the answer for redemption is what man can do for himself

Redemption, like ransom, are in the New Testament. Perhaps your Reformed random verse generator skips those words, I don't know, but you seem to be oblivious to them.

We, of the Reformation, preach a salvation by grace. You preach a salvation by what you do

I don't preach anything. God does all the saving. But the Bible is clear that those who do not repent are not pardoned.

My Bible speaks about the work of Christ resulting in JUSTIFICATION

Is Paul the Bible?

even so through one Man’s righteous act the free gift came to all men, resulting in justification of life

Christ offered Himself as payment (ransom) for our freedom (grace, so that we may choose life. The OT tells us to do so (Deut 30:19, 2 Kin 18:32). Christ made it possible (again).

YOUR obedience....

Correct. It is OUR disobedience as much as it is our obedience. We choose to sin or not to sin. Adam chose to sin and so do we. Adam could have said no. And so can we.

My obedience is no better than Adam’s and I have NO illusion that I can NO LONGER sin (See 1 John).

I agree, but we must honestly try even if we honestly fail. And when we fail, again and again, we ask for forgiveness and try again not to sin. That's called humility, a word unknown to the Reformed crowd.

5,693 posted on 05/20/2008 6:50:19 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50; Lord_Calvinus
I don't preach anything.

Then you disobey Christ.

"And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature." -- Mark 16:15


"And he said unto another, Follow me. But he said, Lord, suffer me first to go and bury my father.

Jesus said unto him, Let the dead bury their dead: but go thou and preach the kingdom of God. " -- Luke 9:59-60


5,697 posted on 05/21/2008 12:46:37 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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