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To: kosta50; Forest Keeper
And bats being considered part of a group of "flying creatures" isn't unscientific, mistaking mammals for birds. It's just a matter of different taxonomies

You are making up definitions of words. "Fowl" does not mean "flying creatures," because then flying insects would be "fowl" too. It means birds, hens, checkens.

To call bats "birds" or "fowl" is not a matter of "different taxonomies" but of sheer ignorance. And if every word in the Bible is God-inspired and inerrant, then such errors can not exist.


Yet again your ignorance is simply astounding. The word "fowl" denoted a whole group of flying creatures, among which was one that we now classify as a flying creature of one kind but not another. To say that the Hebrews looked at a bat and said it was the same thing as a chicken is absurd. It is you who are creating false distinctions, the underlying purpose of which appears to be revealed in the last two sentences quoted above.

Every culture has its own taxonomies that have groupings that make sense within the context of the experience of those cultures. Some so-called "primitive" societies have extensive botanical taxonomies that would permit those who knew them to survive in what would be for "modern" man a dangerous and deadly wilderness.
5,517 posted on 05/12/2008 12:12:15 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: aruanan; Forest Keeper
Yet again your ignorance is simply astounding. The word "fowl" denoted a whole group of flying creatures, among which was one that we now classify as a flying creature of one kind but not another

My ignorance? Dictionary.com defines "fowl" as "1. the domestic or barnyard hen or rooster; chicken. Compare domestic fowl. 2. any of several other, usually gallinaceous, birds that are barnyard, domesticated, or wild, as the duck, turkey, or pheasant. 3. (in market and household use) a full-grown domestic fowl for food purposes, as distinguished from a chicken or young fowl. 4. the flesh or meat of a domestic fowl. 5. any bird (used chiefly in combination): waterfowl; wildfowl."

The American Heritage Dictionary defines it as "Any of various birds of the order Galliformes, especially the common, widely domesticated chicken (Gallus gallus).

A bird, such as the duck, goose, turkey, or pheasant, that is used as food or hunted as game. The flesh of such birds used as food. A bird of any kind."

Now, where are you getting your definition from—that "fowl" means "a whole group of flying creatures?" The Hebrew word "ofe" means birds or insects! No mammals. Moses thought bats were birds!. The Septuagint (LXX) uses the word peteinon (peteinon) which has a broader meaning than the Hebrew word "ofe" (i.e. any winged creature). However EVERY English Bible translates "ofe" as bird or fowl. KJV, "bird" nine times, "fowl" 5; NAS "bird" 14 times.

I submit that you are making up your own definitions. Some are willing to use anything, any means, to show that biblical authors simply could not make a mistake.

5,520 posted on 05/12/2008 7:45:17 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodox is pure Christianity)
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