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Kosta: You are born because the laws of nature (which we believe God instituted) expel the product. It happens in all mammals after a gestational period specific to each species, not just to humans.

FK: The Bible doesn't say that. It says: Isa 44:24 : "This is what the Lord says — your Redeemer, who formed you in the womb...Jer 1:5 : 5 "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations."

The authors of the Bible believed that a whole preformed human being was in the "seed" and that the womb was "fertile soil" in which the "seed" grew, the way plants do. To even consider their notions of "science" as anything remotely credible takes a leap of faith, my friend. Once you do that, even bats can be considered "fowl," and the earth is standing of four pillars...

You are born because the laws of nature (which we believe God instituted) expel the product.

Actually, it's the "product" that calls the shots gestationally and does so from implantation to birth. It takes over the mother's body and controls the mother's biological processes related to pregnancy until it initiates the hormonal signals that trigger labor in the mother. Essentially it says, "I'm taking over here for a while" and then, "Okay, I'm ready to come out, gimme a hand here."

The authors of the Bible believed that a whole preformed human being was in the "seed" and that the womb was "fertile soil" in which the "seed" grew, the way plants do. To even consider their notions of "science" as anything remotely credible takes a leap of faith, my friend. Once you do that, even bats can be considered "fowl," and the earth is standing of four pillars...

The authors of the Bible believed ... these words suggest that the Bible is a compilation of what men thought and are of little relevance even to us this day. What does the Bible mean then?

FK: The Bible doesn't say that. It says: Isa 44:24 : "This is what the Lord says — your Redeemer, who formed you in the womb...Jer 1:5 : 5 "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations."

The authors of the Bible believed that a whole preformed human being was in the "seed" and that the womb was "fertile soil" in which the "seed" grew, the way plants do. To even consider their notions of "science" as anything remotely credible takes a leap of faith, my friend. Once you do that, even bats can be considered "fowl," and the earth is standing of four pillars...

I'm not sure I understand your point. Are we to say it doesn't matter what the OT says, it only matters what SOME Jews may have believed? That would have error defining truth. Is that how it works? The verses say that GOD forms us in the womb. HOW He does that may or may not be explainable by good science at any given time. Regardless, the truth is that it is God's doing. I do not pat myself on the back for the great job I did in getting my wife pregnant. Instead, I give all thanks and glory to God for blessing us with children.