Posted on 01/27/2008 7:56:14 PM PST by Manfred the Wonder Dawg
***This doesn’t apply to everyone. The only tools are the disciples who will bring faith to others through their word (cf John 17:20). In other words, the Church and its clergy.***
If you would read the book of Acts, you see a multitude of people prophesying and teaching after they received the Holy Spirit. Not just the Disciples, but multitudes in various places. Barnabas, Stephen, Saul/Paul to name a few.
OK, good. Then that eliminates Peter from being the "rock" upon which the Church was built. If we agree that the rock was a person, then servants serve THAT person. The Pope serves Christ by serving the people who serve Christ, Who is the cornerstone upon which the Church of God was built.
“Go with God, my friend, and may He watch over you and keep you and bring you back to us in good time.”
Thank you for the very kind wishes my brother. Current forecasts have us turning south away from the really bad stuff after only 1 1/2 hours of driving or so. It might be OK.
God bless and thanks for the great conversation and friendship-
Bill
By whose authority? Anyone can claim having received the Spirit. But it could be a delusion too. Paul didn't even claim the Spirit. He claimed authority directly from Christ.
Enjoy your vacation with God's blessings.
Kosta, you’re too much for a Friday night... Have a good weekend.
I think it was somewhere in this long thread but I’m not certain . . .
I mentioned some connection between a researcher and the Vatican re UFO’s.
I’ve run across ONE of the links . . . the DISCLOSURE PROJECT video on UTUBE:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vyVe-6YdUk&hl=en
a bit over half way through is Daniel Sheehan who has been General Counsel for the Jesuit Headquarters for the U.S. in DC. He was contacted by Marsha Smith of the Congressional REsearch Service. She asked him if he could gain access to the Vatican Library regarding UFO’s. The access was refused.
This is not the only Vaitcan connection with UFO’s that I’ve come across but it’s one of them.
I said somewhere in the thread that I’d post it when I came across it. Here it is.
But only one of several.
Is that because you can't show me where and when did Jesus "commission" every Tom, Dick, and Harriette to preach in His name just because they 'feel' the Spirit?
No, it’s because I was at work, making airplane parts :>)
Should you be reading FR while at work? :)
SSSSHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(However, I am the manager :>)
And who decided that?
The argument has been made around here (I don't remember by whom) that none of the Apostles were true believers until Pentecost. While I'm not sure of that, if it is true, then Judas is certainly left out
It was probably me. I said they were followers before they became believers. They certainly didn't display the courage they displayed after the Pentecost.
I doubt that. I don't know how much you know about medicine, but there is something called shock from blood loss. Never mind the fact that Jesus was afterwards throwin in the dungeon and then crowned with thorns that caused additional bleeding (head bleed a great deal), and was shown chained standing all night long. Under such cirmcumstances (hypooxygenation, dehydration, hypovolemic and hypostatic shock) the kidneys and other organ functions would have simply shut down, FK.
Genesis 6:6 certainly seems to suggest just that! :)
Very Zeus-like.
We don't know to what extent others were tortured. What do we have for reference? A movie?
They pay you to surf the Net or to make airplane parts?
The idea that Luke's was the genealogy of Mary was invented in the 15th century. It's simplistic and it's very weak. The two genealogies agree (converge) on Shealtiel and Zerubbabel.
Also, female genealogies would be considered an oxymoron in the Middle East at that time. No inheritance came from the female bloodline.
Both genealogies claim Joesph is the father of Jesus. Acts 2:30, and 13:23 seem to suggest that Joesph was the father, as does Rom 1:3, 2 Tim 2:8, Heb 2;16 and Rev 22:16.
Both genealogies claim that Jesus is from the "see of David," and that can only be true of Joseph is the biological father.
The earliest Christians explained this discrepancy through Levirate marriage, which I am sure you are familiar with. At any rate, they considered both lineages to be of Joseph, but Joseph could only be Jesus' legal father and therefore Jesus would not be considered "anointed," and certanly not of any direct Davidic lineage, yet 2 Tim 2:8 states "Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David..."
Lastly, the NT also reminds us to avoid lineages! (1 Tim 1:4, and Titus 3:9) maybe for a good reason! :)
Mary's line goes back to David's son Nathan
Nathan is insignificant. He had no direct claim to the throne, and being a "female" lineage it didn't count.
Lineage was simply a male inheritance.
SSSShhhh, keep it down. The guys think I’m working. :>)
Actually, I usually cruise during breaks and lunch, and before shift. I will make a swift answer every once in a while, when things are slow.
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