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Conclusion from Peru and Mexico
email from Randall Easter | 25 January 2008 | Randall Easter

Posted on 01/27/2008 7:56:14 PM PST by Manfred the Wonder Dawg

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To: Manfred the Wonder Dawg
Which means I would rather my brain be pulled out my nose

Hey, there's probably good money to be had for that brain...

AND the nose!


5,441 posted on 05/09/2008 10:25:57 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Alex Murphy

But a cute slacker, nonetheless.


5,442 posted on 05/09/2008 10:28:35 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Forest Keeper

Amen, FK! Keeping ‘em honest.


5,443 posted on 05/09/2008 10:30:11 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

LOL!!!! Of course, once modified accordingly, I might be exactly right for the RCC.

As a young Army officer (years ago), we joked that one had to get a frontal lobotomy in order to make major (O-4). We lieutenants would say, “I’d rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy!”


5,444 posted on 05/09/2008 10:30:15 AM PDT by Manfred the Wonder Dawg (Test ALL things, hold to that which is True.)
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To: Manfred the Wonder Dawg
You were clearly officer material. 8~)
5,445 posted on 05/09/2008 10:32:53 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; Alex Murphy
What is interesting is the relics that turn up on eBay! And since this thread is about Peru, I offer the Antique Skull Relic for a Rosary:

From eBay: "We never know when another of these rare relics will turn up again, and then after months of waiting, one or two arrive from one of the convents we work with in Peru. These little skulls were placed on a nun’s rosary as an ever present reminder of their mortality. You could say they were used to help focus when a nun was in silent prayer or meditating.

To attach the skull to the rosary, a hole was drilled through the top of the skull down to its base. Then a doubled up silver wire in the shape of an up side down "U", would be inserted to make a bail on the top of the skull. Our previous auction winners have had their dentists drill the hole, as these have been in storage at the convents museum annex and have never been used.

These pieces are each made of carved bone and are 200 or more years old. We were only sent a few for auction and then there will be no more.

The one you are bidding on 3/4 inch from the top of the skull to the chin. The carving is exceptional and the patina original to the piece."

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But hurry, the bidding closes on 13 May!

5,446 posted on 05/09/2008 10:49:11 AM PDT by Gamecock ("I find your lack of faith-disturbing" Darth Vader)
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To: kosta50; Kolokotronis; irishtenor; blue-duncan; Mad Dawg; HarleyD; stfassisi; Dr. Eckleburg
The fact is the OT does not lead anyone to believe in a Christ-like God, otherwise the Jews would have accepted Christ as their Messiah.

The OT is not a complete revelation, but it is vital to understand what God wants us to understand. It DOES teach faith in the correct God. Everything that was revealed was in God's own time and by His design. You can't throw out the OT because it's not the NT. Billions of people don't believe in the NT so does that mean we should throw that out too? :)

5,447 posted on 05/09/2008 10:54:06 AM PDT by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
“”I didn't realize it was the infamous Council of Trent who declared the supernatural importance of such relics””

The early Christians venerated the bones of the Saints

We can trace back veneration of relics and symbols to the earliest of Christians,like the ones who admired the life of Saint Polycarp-who was a Disciple of Saint John. They even brought the bones in as reminders.

“We took up his bones, which are more valuable than precious stones and finer than refined gold, and laid them in a suitable place, where the Lord will permit us to gather ourselves together, as we are able, in gladness and joy and to celebrate the birthday of his martyrdom.”
(The Martyrdom of Polycarp, dated to about 150 AD.)

Saint Jerome also wrote..

“We do not worship, we do not adore, for fear that we should bow down to the creature rather than to the creator, but we venerate the relics of the martyrs in order the better to adore him whose martyrs they are. (Ad Riparium, XXII)”

And you trusted This Blessed Saint during Bible Canon. Correct?

The calvinists venerate the mind of John Calvin and his own personal scriptural interpretations as if he were some prophet.Thus elevating calvin above the Saints and the Martyr's who gave their life for Christ and His Church

Here is what Calvin's favorite Saint said...

From Saint Augustine..

“If a father's coat or ring, or anything else of that kind, is so much more cherished by his children, as love for one's parents is greater, in no way are the bodies themselves to be despised, which are much more intimately and closely united to us than any garment; for they belong to man's very nature.” It is clear from this that he who has a certain affection for anyone, venerates whatever of his is left after his death, not only his body and the parts thereof, but even external things, such as his clothes, and such like. Now it is manifest that we should show honor to the saints of God, as being members of Christ, the children and friends of God, and our intercessors.” Saint Augustine(De Civ. Dei i, 13

I'll bet you have no problem with the pagan goddess lady liberty that stands in NY harbor that people venerate in the name of freedom?

5,448 posted on 05/09/2008 11:10:24 AM PDT by stfassisi ( ("Above all gifts that Christ gives his beloved is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi))
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To: kosta50; Kolokotronis; irishtenor; blue-duncan; Mad Dawg; HarleyD; stfassisi; Dr. Eckleburg
Kosta: Without the NT you would never come to Christianity.

FK: It's true we probably wouldn't come to Christianity as we know it, however, we could have still come to salvation as the OT righteous knew it.

Kosta: Then why was Christ necessary?

Christ was necessary to die for our sins. The OT righteous were saved only because Jesus DID come. I thought you were referring only to the text of the NT, as opposed to the events of the NT. It was absolutely necessary for Jesus to come as He did.

In fact there are dozens of examples, especially in 1 Peter, where the suffering of Christ is the way we must follow, but of course this part of the Bible is overlooked for practical purposes...

Good scripture and I completely agree. Anyone calling himself a Christian who never suffers for Christ has something to worry about.

5,449 posted on 05/09/2008 11:28:14 AM PDT by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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To: kosta50; Forest Keeper; Kolokotronis; blue-duncan; Mad Dawg; HarleyD; stfassisi

***The fact is the OT does not lead anyone to believe in a Christ-like God, otherwise the Jews would have accepted Christ as their Messiah.***

You’d have to try really hard NOT to see Christ in the Psalms, Kosta.


5,450 posted on 05/09/2008 11:39:38 AM PDT by irishtenor (Check out my blog at http://boompa53.blogspot.com/)
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To: irishtenor; kosta50

“You’d have to try really hard NOT to see Christ in the Psalms, Kosta.”

I think I agree, Kosta mou! And beyond that, the Psalms are in many ways a sort of spiritual playbook for theosis. In the interests of full disclosure, I add that the Psalms are my absolute favorite book of the OT.


5,451 posted on 05/09/2008 11:53:24 AM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; Marysecretary

Interesting article. The pope dresses up as Santa and bargains with bones that “exude manna”. You can’t make this stuff up


5,452 posted on 05/09/2008 11:55:22 AM PDT by 1000 silverlings (Everything that deceives also enchants: Plato)
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To: stfassisi
The early Christians venerated the bones of the Saints We can trace back veneration of relics and symbols to the earliest of Christians,like the ones who admired the life of Saint Polycarp-who was a Disciple of Saint John. They even brought the bones in as reminders

Yes, even early Christians were susceptible to pagan influences. Most rid themselves of this foul practice, by the grace of God.

The calvinists venerate the mind of John Calvin and his own personal scriptural interpretations as if he were some prophet.Thus elevating calvin above the Saints and the Martyr's who gave their life for Christ and His Church

Nope. Calvin is one among the saints of Christ, by the grace of God alone.

If a father's coat or ring, or anything else of that kind, is so much more cherished by his children, as love for one's parents is greater, in no way are the bodies themselves to be despised, which are much more intimately and closely united to us than any garment; for they belong to man's very nature."

LOLOL. You're taking those words of Augustine's to mean that he was here instructing us to venerate relics!?!

From those words it is clear Augustine is simply saying we should not hate our earthly bodies because our bodies are from God.

Remember Augustine wasn't the pent-up monastic Rome still encourages to this day.

By the indiscriminant use of the quotation marks it looks like the rest of what you wrote is merely someone's comment about what Augustine said, and not his own words. Confusing, to say the least.

I'll bet you have no problem with the pagan goddess lady liberty that stands in NY harbor that people venerate in the name of freedom?

I've never seen anyone kneeling in prayer to the Statue of Liberty or praying to her for intercession, as Rome instructs its members to do in defiance to the word of God...yet again.

5,453 posted on 05/09/2008 12:00:53 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Gamecock
These little skulls were placed on a nun's rosary as an ever present reminder of their mortality.

Good grief. They have no shame.

You could say they were used to help focus when a nun was in silent prayer or meditating.

lol. Right. Nuns suffer from so much distraction. All those tickle-fights. And the ironing never stops.

5,454 posted on 05/09/2008 12:15:03 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: 1000 silverlings

Apparently they can. 8~)


5,455 posted on 05/09/2008 12:18:11 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
I enjoy archeology and history, but some people have taken it just a bit far.

Like you said:
"The cross is empty! Praise God! We have no need of earthly relics. Our only need is Christ risen."

And I couldn't agree more.
5,456 posted on 05/09/2008 12:30:31 PM PDT by Fichori (FreeRepublic.com: Watch your step!)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
"papal temporal power." [excerpt]

Well, there ya go!

(this gets more interesting every day!)
5,457 posted on 05/09/2008 12:33:05 PM PDT by Fichori (FreeRepublic.com: Watch your step!)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Good grief. What’s next? Poor St. Nick...


5,458 posted on 05/09/2008 12:45:54 PM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

That’s what I ate for supper last night...oh dear.


5,459 posted on 05/09/2008 12:46:35 PM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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To: Gamecock

I’ve wanted one for years. Nothing like wearing a skull to keep you focussed.


5,460 posted on 05/09/2008 12:48:29 PM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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