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To: stfassisi
The early Christians venerated the bones of the Saints We can trace back veneration of relics and symbols to the earliest of Christians,like the ones who admired the life of Saint Polycarp-who was a Disciple of Saint John. They even brought the bones in as reminders

Yes, even early Christians were susceptible to pagan influences. Most rid themselves of this foul practice, by the grace of God.

The calvinists venerate the mind of John Calvin and his own personal scriptural interpretations as if he were some prophet.Thus elevating calvin above the Saints and the Martyr's who gave their life for Christ and His Church

Nope. Calvin is one among the saints of Christ, by the grace of God alone.

If a father's coat or ring, or anything else of that kind, is so much more cherished by his children, as love for one's parents is greater, in no way are the bodies themselves to be despised, which are much more intimately and closely united to us than any garment; for they belong to man's very nature."

LOLOL. You're taking those words of Augustine's to mean that he was here instructing us to venerate relics!?!

From those words it is clear Augustine is simply saying we should not hate our earthly bodies because our bodies are from God.

Remember Augustine wasn't the pent-up monastic Rome still encourages to this day.

By the indiscriminant use of the quotation marks it looks like the rest of what you wrote is merely someone's comment about what Augustine said, and not his own words. Confusing, to say the least.

I'll bet you have no problem with the pagan goddess lady liberty that stands in NY harbor that people venerate in the name of freedom?

I've never seen anyone kneeling in prayer to the Statue of Liberty or praying to her for intercession, as Rome instructs its members to do in defiance to the word of God...yet again.

5,453 posted on 05/09/2008 12:00:53 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
“”Yes, even early Christians were susceptible to pagan influences. Most rid themselves of this foul practice, by the grace of God.””

The Saints who determined Bible Canon venerated Mary throughout their lives,all of them believed the Eucharist to be the literal Body of Christ as well.

This is all pagan according to you.

So, that means that you believe that Bible canon was revealed to the early pagans and it took over 1500 years for the prophet calvin to come along and lead us to what the scriptures really mean. Ridiculous!

Calvin is no different than Jim Jones,Joseph Smith or any other false prophet that lead others astray from the truth

Dear Sister,you need to come to grips that calvinism does not resemble early Christianity. Calvinism is heretical in the eyes of the Saints

DR E -””LOLOL. You're taking those words of Augustine's to mean that he was here instructing us to venerate relics!?!””

Nope,we can see that Augustine venerated Saints and Our Blessed Mother

Blessed Augustine's said this prayer to Our Blessed Mother

Prayer to Our Lady of Mercy - St. Augustine of Hippo

Blessed Virgin Mary,
who can worthily repay you with praise
and thanks for having rescued a fallen world
by your generous consent!

Receive our gratitude,
and by your prayers obtain the pardon of our sins.
Take our prayers into the sanctuary of heaven
and enable them to make our peace with God.

Holy Mary, help the miserable,
strengthen the discouraged,
comfort the sorrowful,
pray for your people,
plead for the clergy,
intercede for all women consecrated to God.

May all who venerate you
feel now your help and protection.
Be ready to help us when we pray,
and bring back to us the answers to our prayers.
Make it your continual concern
to pray for the people of God,
for you were blessed by God
and were made worthy to bear the Redeemer of the world,
who lives and reigns forever.

5,463 posted on 05/09/2008 1:27:36 PM PDT by stfassisi ( ("Above all gifts that Christ gives his beloved is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi))
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