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To: Dr. Eckleburg
“”I didn't realize it was the infamous Council of Trent who declared the supernatural importance of such relics””

The early Christians venerated the bones of the Saints

We can trace back veneration of relics and symbols to the earliest of Christians,like the ones who admired the life of Saint Polycarp-who was a Disciple of Saint John. They even brought the bones in as reminders.

“We took up his bones, which are more valuable than precious stones and finer than refined gold, and laid them in a suitable place, where the Lord will permit us to gather ourselves together, as we are able, in gladness and joy and to celebrate the birthday of his martyrdom.”
(The Martyrdom of Polycarp, dated to about 150 AD.)

Saint Jerome also wrote..

“We do not worship, we do not adore, for fear that we should bow down to the creature rather than to the creator, but we venerate the relics of the martyrs in order the better to adore him whose martyrs they are. (Ad Riparium, XXII)”

And you trusted This Blessed Saint during Bible Canon. Correct?

The calvinists venerate the mind of John Calvin and his own personal scriptural interpretations as if he were some prophet.Thus elevating calvin above the Saints and the Martyr's who gave their life for Christ and His Church

Here is what Calvin's favorite Saint said...

From Saint Augustine..

“If a father's coat or ring, or anything else of that kind, is so much more cherished by his children, as love for one's parents is greater, in no way are the bodies themselves to be despised, which are much more intimately and closely united to us than any garment; for they belong to man's very nature.” It is clear from this that he who has a certain affection for anyone, venerates whatever of his is left after his death, not only his body and the parts thereof, but even external things, such as his clothes, and such like. Now it is manifest that we should show honor to the saints of God, as being members of Christ, the children and friends of God, and our intercessors.” Saint Augustine(De Civ. Dei i, 13

I'll bet you have no problem with the pagan goddess lady liberty that stands in NY harbor that people venerate in the name of freedom?

5,448 posted on 05/09/2008 11:10:24 AM PDT by stfassisi ( ("Above all gifts that Christ gives his beloved is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi))
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To: stfassisi
The early Christians venerated the bones of the Saints We can trace back veneration of relics and symbols to the earliest of Christians,like the ones who admired the life of Saint Polycarp-who was a Disciple of Saint John. They even brought the bones in as reminders

Yes, even early Christians were susceptible to pagan influences. Most rid themselves of this foul practice, by the grace of God.

The calvinists venerate the mind of John Calvin and his own personal scriptural interpretations as if he were some prophet.Thus elevating calvin above the Saints and the Martyr's who gave their life for Christ and His Church

Nope. Calvin is one among the saints of Christ, by the grace of God alone.

If a father's coat or ring, or anything else of that kind, is so much more cherished by his children, as love for one's parents is greater, in no way are the bodies themselves to be despised, which are much more intimately and closely united to us than any garment; for they belong to man's very nature."

LOLOL. You're taking those words of Augustine's to mean that he was here instructing us to venerate relics!?!

From those words it is clear Augustine is simply saying we should not hate our earthly bodies because our bodies are from God.

Remember Augustine wasn't the pent-up monastic Rome still encourages to this day.

By the indiscriminant use of the quotation marks it looks like the rest of what you wrote is merely someone's comment about what Augustine said, and not his own words. Confusing, to say the least.

I'll bet you have no problem with the pagan goddess lady liberty that stands in NY harbor that people venerate in the name of freedom?

I've never seen anyone kneeling in prayer to the Statue of Liberty or praying to her for intercession, as Rome instructs its members to do in defiance to the word of God...yet again.

5,453 posted on 05/09/2008 12:00:53 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: stfassisi

She was made by a heathen so she’s not one of my favored ladies. I love what she stands for but not much else. (Freedom)


5,461 posted on 05/09/2008 12:49:58 PM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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