Mormonism in Evangelical Voter Guide (Dobson)

The Washington Compostt ^ | January 25, 2008 | RACHEL ZOLL

[HokieMom]

An executive for one of the nation's leading evangelical groups says in a video voter guide that Mitt Romney has "acknowledged Mormonism is not a Christian faith," although the GOP presidential candidate has said he follows Jesus Christ and his church insists it is Christian.

Tom Minnery, senior vice president of government and public policy at Focus on the Family Action, said in an interview Friday that the comment was his interpretation of Romney's December "Faith in America" speech that was meant to reassure voters about his religion.

Minnery said that he spoke with the campaign after the video was posted this week and they did not contest his view or ask him to retract the statement.

"We've got a good relationship with them," he said.

Kevin Madden, a Romney spokesman, said in an e-mail that "campaign guides by advocacy groups consist of their viewpoints." Madden referred to Romney's faith speech when asked if the former Massachusetts governor considers himself Christian.

[Uri’el-2012]

Did the Reformers call the Roman church of the Devil ?

Did the Roman church not murder all who did not believe like them ?

[Colofornian]

Did the Reformers call the Roman church of the Devil?

I don't know. (You're using an argument from silence where you assume they did). If they did, I don't know of any.

But let's just assume for a moment there is such a quote somewhere by some leader.

Did that leader ever try to say what they said was "Scripture." And that's the difference. What I cited to you was the Book of Mormon, which says there are only two churches--the Church of the Lamb & the Church of the Devil (1 Nephi 14:9-10). Mormon leaders use this "Scripture" to say they are the church of the Lamb; which leaves "the church of the devil" to the historic Christian church & its daughter, the Protestant church.

If we were merely talking about speculative opinions...of course, all kinds of things have been bandied about in century upon century. But I haven't seen any of those statements by Christian leaders added as "canon" as a new back after the book of Revelation, have you? (You can't say the same thing about LDS "revelations" from their god)

Did the Roman church not murder all who did not believe like them?

Your hyperbole is all too evident when you claim they murdered ALL who didn't believe like them. (If that were the case, their bloodbath would have started long ago...and there wouldn't have been enough weapons or murderous Catholic missionaries available to have gotten the job done anytime soon after they started). Any other ridiculous non-historical arguments?

[Elsie]

 

 

The FUNDAMENTALIST Church of

Jesus Christ

of Latter Day Saints

 

 

 

[Elsie]

No, just "SubChristian" — which is the same thing as "subhuman" to someone like Dobson.

 

It could be worse...

 

 

 

http://scriptures.lds.org/en/js_h/1/19#19
  17 It no sooner appeared than I found myself delivered from the enemy which held me bound. When the light rested upon me I saw two Personages, whose brightness and glory defy all description, standing above me in the air. One of them spake unto me, calling me by name and said, pointing to the other—This is My Beloved Son. Hear Him!
  18 My object in going to inquire of the Lord was to know which of all the sects was right, that I might know which to join. No sooner, therefore, did I get possession of myself, so as to be able to speak, than I asked the Personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right (for at this time it had never entered into my heart that all were wrong)—and which I should join.
  19 I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: “they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.”
  20 He again forbade me to join with any of them; and many other things did he say unto me, which I cannot write at this time. When I came to myself again, I found myself lying on my back, looking up into heaven. When the light had departed, I had no strength; but soon recovering in some degree, I went home. And as I leaned up to the fireplace, mother inquired what the matter was. I replied, “Never mind, all is well—I am well enough off.” I then said to my mother, “I have learned for myself that Presbyterianism is not true.” 
 

 

 

 they were all ^awrong;

 

"How Firm a Foundation"

[Elsie]

Don’t you have a funeral to prepare for?

[Elsie]

Why are Romney supporters so thin-skinned?

Choice.

[Elsie]

Wow. That’s pretty vile.

Yup; but accurate.

[Elsie]

Darn you to HECK!!!

 

 

Haven't you been warned; repeatedly; NOT to be using facts against us?

 

We WILL ignore them and say you are a BIGOT for bringing up the past!!

 

 

--MormonDude(saddened by your UNchristianlike attitude)

[restornu]

Your opinion is full of beans

[ReignOfError]

Well, aside from the fact that the first massive 9/11 terrorist act in this country (Sept. 11, 1857) was committed by Mormons upon the Fancher wagon train, where 120-140 folks were massacred, Muslims call Christians "infidels" and Mormons call Christians "apostates." In such a labeling, where's the difference?

The difference is that the last Mormon terrorist attack against "infidels" was 150 years ago. The last terrorist attack by Muslims against "infidels" was yesterday. Pretty big difference where I come from.

[tortdog]

>What makes it a bigoted view? Mormonism is not traditional Christianity

I completely agree.

Is there a link where we can see this voter’s guide that Focus puts out saying Romney claimed he is not a Christian?

[tortdog]

>However it is NOT Mitt Romney’s, and yet they are lying and claiming he “acknowledged” it to be true.

Lying? That means an intention to deceive. Not sure you can say that. Apparently this guy thinks that it’s true, but clearly Romney disagrees.

[tortdog]

How come no one ever mentions that genocide ordered by God in the Old Testament?

[counterpunch]

This guy invented this “acknowledgement” out of whole cloth.
If that isn’t a lie, I don’t know what is.
Romney never gave him any reason to believe this, but said he believed his was a Christian faith MANY times in high profile situations before and after this guy made this claim. That makes him a willful liar. You can’t spin it away.

[tortdog]

>Well, aside from the fact that the first massive 9/11 terrorist act in this country (Sept. 11, 1857) was committed by Mormons upon the Fancher wagon train, where 120-140 folks were massacred, Muslims call Christians “infidels” and Mormons call Christians “apostates.” In such a labeling, where’s the difference?

When the LDS Church found out about it, it tried the people and executed the leader. It was never sanctioned by the LDS leaders, and the investigation and trial cleared the LDS Church in that regard.

>LDS “Scripture” which says by revelation that Christian sects’ professing believers are ALL “corrupt”; that says Christian sects’ creeds are ALL “an abomination in His sight”; and that ALL Christian churches are “wrong” & should not be joined. [Source: Pearl of Great Price, Joseph Smith - History, vv. 18-20...look for yourself.]

Not quite. When Joseph Smith asked God which Christian church to join (he was partial to the Methodist faith), the Father and Son appeared to him and Christ told Smith not to join any of them, as none were his church. He advised Smith that they taught the teaching of men as though they were his words, but that they were wrong.

So what? If Baptists believed that the RC Church was right, they would be Baptists.

>the “church of the devil” (1 Nephi 14:9-10 from the Book of Mormon), or the “abominable” church (vast references available upon request in Book of Mormon & LDS’ Doctrine & Covenants);

Those statements are to the belief that any church other than that founded directly by Jesus Christ is not of Him. Nonetheless, the LDS Church does not teach against any other church, and does not claim that followers of other churches are going to Hell (though some so-called Christians claim that all Mormons are going to Hell).

[tortdog]

>This guy invented this “acknowledgement” out of whole cloth.

He pointed to Romney’s statement and HE interpreted it to mean what he says. I disagree with the interpretation he provides. That doesn’t make him a liar. It makes him wrong, in my opinion.

[counterpunch]

He doesn’t believe his own interpretation.
He knew what he was doing.
Just like McCain’s interpretation of Romney’s comments on Iraq benchmarks.
It’s called lying.

[tortdog]

>He doesn’t believe his own interpretation. He knew what he was doing.

Is this knowledge you have of what others believe kind of like how some so-called Christians claim that Mormons can’t possibly believe in Christ (even though Mormons claim that Christ is the Son of God and the Redeemer of Israel) because the so-called Christians know better?

[counterpunch]

I know because this guy is clearly too smart to honestly believe something so dumb.

[fulminatio]

If “Evangelicals” are so blinkered as to vote against someone who shares their values—and has LIVED according to those values-—in favor of someone like Hilary Clinton or Barack Obama, then they deserve to spend their 40 years in the political wilderness.

Who bloody cares what Romney’s religion is???