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On St. Augustine
Zenit News Agency ^ | January 9, 2008 | Benedict XVI

Posted on 01/09/2008 7:00:23 PM PST by ELS

On St. Augustine

"All the Roads of Christian Latin Literature Lead to Hippo"

VATICAN CITY, JAN. 9, 2007 (Zenit.org).- Here is a translation of the address Benedict XVI delivered today at the general audience in Paul VI Hall. The reflection is the first in a series on St. Augustine, Bishop of Hippo.

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Dear brothers and sisters,

After the Christmas holidays I would like to turn to the meditations on the Fathers of the Church and speak today of the greatest Father of the Latin Church, St. Augustine: a man of passion and faith, of high intelligence and untiring pastoral zeal. This great saint and Doctor of the Church is often well-known, at least by name, even by those who ignore Christianity, or who are little acquainted with it, because he made a deep impression on the cultural life of the Western world, and the world in general.

Due to his exceptional importance, St. Augustine has been enormously influential, so much so that it could be said, on one hand, that all the roads of Christian Latin literature lead to Hippo (today's Annaba, on the Algerian coast), the place where he was a bishop, and on the other hand, that from this town of Roman Africa, where Augustine was bishop from 395 to 430, branch out many other roads of future Christianity and of Western culture itself.

Rarely has a civilization encountered a figure so great, capable of embracing its values and of proclaiming its intrinsic richness, formulating ideas and methods that serve to nurture successive generations, as Paul VI also emphasized: "One can say all of antiquity's philosophy converge in his work, and from it derive currents of thought pervading the doctrinal tradition of the next centuries" (AAS, 62, 1970, p. 426).

Moreover, Augustine is the Father of the Church who has left the greatest number of writings. His biographer Possidius says: It seemed impossible that a man could write so much during his life. We will talk about his various works in a future session. Today we will focus on his life, a life that we can reconstruct from his writings, and in particular from the "Confessions," his extraordinary spiritual autobiography written in praise of God, and which is his most popular work.

Precisely because of the attention paid to interiority and psychology, Augustine's "Confessions" is a unique model in Western and non-Western literature, even including nonreligious literature, right through to modern times. The focus on spiritual life, on the mystery of self, on the mystery of God that hides in the self, is an extraordinary thing without precedent and remains, so to speak, a spiritual "vertex."

But, returning to his life, Augustine was born in Tagaste -- in the Roman province of Africa -- on Nov. 13, 354, to Patrick, a pagan who then became a catechumen, and Monica, a zealous Christian. This passionate woman, venerated as a saint, was a big influence on her son and educated him in the Christian belief. Augustine also received salt, as a mark of welcome in the catechumenate. He was always charmed by the figure of Jesus Christ; he says he had always loved Jesus, but he had grown more and more apart from the faith and practice of the Church, as happens with a lot of young people today.

Augustine also had a brother, Navigius, and a sister, whose name we do not know, and who, when widowed, became the head of a female monastery.

Augustine had a sharp intelligence and received a good education, though he was not always a model student. He studied grammar, first in his hometown and then in Madaurus, and beginning in 370 he took rhetoric in Carthage, capital of Roman Africa. He came to master Latin, but did not do as well in Greek or Punic, the language of his fellow countrymen.

It was in Carthage that he read "Hortensius" for the first time, a work by Cicero -- subsequently lost -- and which started him on the road to conversion. The text awakened in him a love of wisdom, as confirmed in his writings as a bishop in the "Confessions": "The book changed my feelings," so much so that "suddenly, every vain hope became empty to me, and I longed for the immortality of wisdom with an incredible ardor in my heart" (III, 4, 7).

But, since he was convinced that without Jesus truth cannot really be found, and because in that fascinating book his name was missing, he immediately set to reading Scripture, the Bible. But he was disappointed. Not only was the Latin translation of the sacred Scripture insufficient, but also the content itself did not seem satisfactory.

In the narrations of wars and other human events, he could not find the heights of philosophy, the splendor of its search for the truth. Nevertheless, he did not want to live without God, and so he sought a religion that matched his desire for truth and his desire to be close to Jesus.

He fell into the net of the Manichaeans, who presented themselves as Christians and promised a totally rational religion. They confirmed that the world is divided into two principles: that of good and evil. This explained the complexity of human history. St. Augustine also liked the dualistic morality, because it entailed a very high morality for the chosen ones: and for those, like him, who adhered to it, it was possible to live a life more suited to the times, especially for a young man. He therefore became a Manichaean, convinced that he had found the synthesis between rationality, the search for the truth and the love of Jesus Christ.

And his private life benefited as well: Being a Manichaean opened career possibilities. To adhere to this religion, which included many influential personalities, allowed him to pursue a relationship he started with a woman, and to continue his career.

With this woman he had a son, Adeodatus, who was very dear to him, extremely intelligent, and who later on will be present in Augustine's preparation for baptism in Lake Como, forming part of the "Dialogues" that St. Augustine has passed on to us. Unfortunately, the boy died prematurely.

After teaching grammar in his hometown at the age of 20, he soon returned to Carthage, where he became a brilliant and celebrated master of rhetoric. With time, however, Augustine distanced himself from the Manichaean faith. It disappointed him intellectually as it was not capable of resolving his doubts. He moved to Rome, and then to Milan, where he obtained a prestigious place in the imperial court, thanks to the recommendations of the prefect of Rome, the pagan Symmachus, who was hostile to the bishop of Milan, St. Ambrose.

At first with the purpose of enriching his rhetorical repertoire, Augustine began attending the impressive lectures of Bishop Ambrose, who had been a representative of the emperor in Northern Italy; he was charmed by his words, not only because of their eloquence, but because they touched his heart. The main problem of the Old Testament -- the lack of oratory and philosophical elevation -- resolved itself in the lectures of St. Ambrose thanks to the typological interpretation of the Old Testament: Augustine understood that the Old Testament is a journey toward Jesus Christ. So he found the key to understanding the beauty, the philosophic depth of the Old Testament, and he understood the unity of the mystery of Christ in history, as well as the synthesis between philosophy, rationality and faith in the Logos, in Christ, the eternal Word that became flesh.

Quickly, Augustine realized the allegorical reading of Scripture and the Neoplatonic philosophy practiced by the bishop of Milan helped him resolve the intellectual difficulties he encountered at a younger age, when he first approached the biblical texts, which he believed to be insuperable.

Augustine continued to read the writings of the philosophers along with Scripture, and especially the letters of St. Paul. His conversion to Christianity, Aug. 15, 386, is therefore placed at the apex of a long and tormented inner journey of which we will speak in another catechesis; The African moved to the country north of Milan near Lake Como -- with his mother Monica, his son Adeodatus, and a small group of friends -- to get ready for baptism. At 32, Augustine was christened by Ambrose on April 24, 387, during Easter vigil in the Milan Cathedral.

After his baptism Augustine decided to return to Africa with his friends, with the idea of putting into practice a communal monastic life, in the service of God. But in Ostia, while waiting to leave, his mother suddenly fell sick and a little later died, leaving her son's heart in torment.

Back in his homeland he settled in Hippo to found a monastery. In this town on the African coast he was ordained presbyter in 391, despite his refusal, and began a monastic life with some companions, dividing his time between praying, studying and preaching. He wanted to serve truth alone, he didn't feel called to the pastoral life; then he understood that God's call was to be a shepherd among others, and to offer the others the gift of truth.

Four years later, in 395, he was consecrated bishop in Hippo. Deepening the study of Scripture and the texts of the Christian tradition, Augustine was an exemplary bishop in his untiring pastoral commitment: He preached to the faithful several times a week, he helped the poor and the orphans, he followed the education of the clergy and the organization of female and male monasteries.

In short, he affirmed himself as one of the most important representatives of Christianity of the time: Very active in the administration of his diocese -- with considerable civic results too -- in more than 35 years of episcopate, the bishop of Hippo had an immense influence in the leadership of the Catholic Church in Roman Africa and, in general, in the Christianity of his time, facing Manichaeism, Donatism and Pelagianism, which were endangering the Christian faith and the one and only God full of grace.

Augustine entrusted himself to God every day, right up until the very end of his life. He was struck by fever, while Hippo was being besieged by invaders. The bishop -- as his friend Possidius tells us in the "Vita Augustini" -- asked to transcribe in large characters the penitential psalms, "and he had the sheets pinned to the wall, so that during his illness he could read them while in bed, and he cried endlessly warm tears" (31,2); this is how Augustine spent his last days. He died on Aug. 28, 430, at the age of 75. We will dedicate the next sessions to his works, his message and his interior experience.

[Translation by Laura Leoncini]

[After praying the Angelus, the Holy Father greeted pilgrims in six languages. In English, he said:]

Dear Brothers and Sisters,

In our weekly catechesis, we now turn to the towering figure of Saint Augustine of Hippo. The great intellectual heritage of antiquity found expression in Augustine's many writings, which then became a rich source of inspiration and teaching for centuries to come. Augustine's spiritual autobiography -- "The Confessions" -- tells the story of his Christian upbringing, his secular education, his decision to devote his life to the pursuit of truth, and his eventual abandonment of the faith. Attracted at first by Manichean dualism, he gradually recovered the faith of his childhood, thanks to the prayers of his mother, Saint Monica, and the brilliant teaching of Saint Ambrose, then Bishop of Milan. "The Confessions" recount the tormented interior journey which led to his moral and intellectual conversion, culminating in his baptism by Ambrose. Returning to Africa to lead a monastic life, Augustine became a priest and then the Bishop of Hippo. In his thirty years as Bishop, he proved himself an exemplary pastor, an assiduous preacher and an influential champion of the Catholic faith. In coming weeks, we will turn our attention to the writings and the thought of this great Doctor of the Church.

I am pleased to welcome the English-speaking pilgrims present at today's Audience, especially the student groups from Australia and the United States. I greet the group of deacons from the Archdiocese of Dubuque, and I thank the choir for their praise of God in song. Upon all of you I invoke God's abundant blessings of joy and peace.

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To: ELS
wouldn't +Augustine need a pretty good grasp of Greek...?

Key though is that St. Augustine's huge volume of works (OVER 500 WORKS STILL EXTANT TODAY) were done in Latin, not Greek. Apparently he was not equally conversant in each language, since he didn't write in Greek, though he did read NT scripture in it's original language.

Since the Roman capitol was officially moved to Constantinople just before that time, and Rome's northern territories were starting to contract (Rome was 1st sacked in 411, the middle of +Augustine's career), the Latin and Greek worlds were slowly but surely drifting apart--quite unlike the era of the 1st Apostles.

21 posted on 01/10/2008 8:48:50 AM PST by AnalogReigns (Posse non peccare ex Christus)
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To: Kolokotronis
there was no good translation of his work into Greek until the 14th century

I'm sure you are correct. I know in Western Christianity there is a sense that the Eastern Church doesn't sufficiently appreciate +Augustine. Of course the fact that he hasn't had much impact on your history--whereas in the West his writing directly shaped 1500+ years of theology and practice (and equally as much in Roman and Protestant circles), must have something to do with it.

Teachers of Greek (or other languages too) should all point to St. Augustine about the dangers of genius in only one language...

22 posted on 01/10/2008 8:58:31 AM PST by AnalogReigns (Posse non peccare ex Christus)
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To: MinuteGal

The pope is a model of simplicity and clarity. I have never seen a better summary of the life of St. Augustine, expecially the description of Amrose’s influence on him. A tidbit. Ambose liked Augustine’s mother, did NOT like him. Monica must have been something. I have the impression he got his intelligence, and much else, from her.


23 posted on 01/10/2008 11:05:51 AM PST by RobbyS
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To: Kolokotronis

It probably contributed to his imperfect relationship between Augustine and Jerome. Augustine was pure Latin-colonial while Jerome was at home in both the Greek and Roman world.


24 posted on 01/10/2008 11:12:19 AM PST by RobbyS
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To: Kolokotronis

It probably contributed to his imperfect relationship between Augustine and Jerome. Augustine was pure Latin-colonial while Jerome was at home in both the Greek and Roman world.


25 posted on 01/10/2008 11:12:19 AM PST by RobbyS
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To: Kolokotronis
From http://www.monergism.com/thethreshold/articles/augustine.html

(A protestant Reformed view of Augustine)



The Church
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"O God, command what you wouldst, and grant what thou dost command."
Augustine

St. Augustine of Hippo
Contributions from Monergism & Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

Aurelius Augustinus, Augustine of Hippo ('The knowledgeable one') (November 13, 354 – August 28, 430) is a saint and the pre-eminent Doctor of the Church according to Roman Catholicism, and is considered by Reformed Theologians to be (together with the Apostle Paul) the theological fountainhead of the Reformation teaching on salvation, grace and election. Much of this can be found in his famous Treatise on Predestination and his Anti-Pelagian Writings which teach salvation by grace alone. These as well as the resulting Council of Orange are topics frequently avoided by Roman Catholics in discussions with Protestants on grace. Calvin and Luther could both be said to be Christians in the historic Augustinian tradition and both quote him extensively in their writings. Calvin defends the Augustinian view of grace in his Bondage and Liberation of the Will, quoting Augustine liberally. Augustine was the eldest son of Saint Monica, an African by birth, a Roman by education, a Milanese by baptism, still inspire many Christians all over the world who follow the path of faith. Perhaps the most influential theologian ever.

Life
Saint Augustine was born in 354 in Tagaste, a provincial Roman city in North Africa. He was raised and educated in Carthage. His mother Monica (Saint Monica) was a devout Christian and his father Patricius a pagan. As a youth Augustine followed the unpopular Manichaean religion, much to the horror of his mother. In Carthage, he developed a relationship with a young woman who would be his concubine for over a decade and produce a son. His education and early career was in philosophy and rhetoric, the art of persuasion and public speaking. He taught in Tagaste and Carthage, but soon aspired to compete with the best, in Rome. However, Augustine grew disappointed with the Roman schools, which he found apathetic. Manichean friends introduced him to the prefect of the City of Rome, Symmachus, who had been asked to provide a professor of rhetoric for the imperial court at Milan.

The young provincial won the job and headed north to take up his position in late 384. At age thirty, Augustine had won the most visible academic chair in the Latin world, at a time when such posts gave ready access to political careers. However, he felt the tensions of life at an imperial court, lamenting one day as he rode in his carriage to deliver a grand speech before the emperor, that a drunken beggar he passed on the street had a less careworn existence than he.

Although Monica pressed the claims of Christianity, it is the bishop of Milan, Ambrose, who had most influence over Augustine. Ambrose was a master of rhetoric like Augustine himself, but older and more experienced. Prompted by Ambrose's sermons, Augustine moved away from Manichaeism, but instead of becoming Catholic like Ambrose, he converted to pagan Neoplatonism. Augustine's mother followed him to Milan and he allowed her to arrange a society marriage, for which he abandoned his concubine (however he had to wait two years until his fiancée came of age - and promptly took up in the meantime with another woman).

In the summer of 386, in a garden, Augustine underwent a profound personal crisis and decided to convert to Christianity, abandon his career in rhetoric, quit his teaching position in Milan, give up any ideas of marriage (much to the horror of his mother), and devote himself full time to religion, celibacy and the priesthood. Ambrose baptized Augustine on Easter day in 387, and soon thereafter in 388 he returned to Africa. On his way back to Africa his mother died, as did his son soon after, leaving him relatively alone.

Upon his return to north Africa he created a monastic foundation at Tagaste for himself and a group of friends. In 391 he was ordained a priest in Hippo Regius, (now Annaba, in Algeria). He became a famous preacher (more than 350 preserved sermons are believed to be authentic), and was noted for combating the Manichaean heresy.

In 396 he was made coadjutor bishop of Hippo (assistant with the right of succession on the death of the current bishop), and remained as bishop in Hippo until his death in 430. He left his monastery, but continued to lead a monastic life in the episcopal residence. He left a Rule (Latin, Regula) for his monastery that has led him to be designated the "patron saint of Regular Clergy," that is, parish clergy who live by a monastic rule.

Augustine died on August 28, 430, during the siege of Hippo by the Vandals. He is said to have encouraged its citizens to resist the attacks, primarily on the grounds that the Vandals adhered to Arianism, which was heretical according to the doctrine of the Catholic Church, of which Augustine was a bishop.

For more biographical infomation click here >> Bio

Influence as a Theologian and Thinker

It is largely due to Augustine's arguments against the Pelagians, who did not believe in original sin, that Western Christianity has maintained the doctrine of original sin.

The Council of Orange was the historical result of this controversy and is one of the most important councils of the early Church and was often pointed to by the Reformers as evidence that Rome had abandoned the theology of its own Councils, Fathers and Church Doctors. The content of the Council itself grew out of the public dispute between Augustine and Pelagius. This theological dispute had to do with the extent to which the natural man is responsible for his or her own regeneration unto salvation, and the monergistic work of the Holy Spirit in bringing about the saving grace of Christ. The Council of Orange condemned the Semi-Pelagian doctrine that fallen creatures, although sinful, are morally competent enough to contribute a little toward their salvation by taking hold of the offer of the grace of God through an act of their unregenerate natural will. Orange upheld Augustine's view that the will and affections are evil by corruption of nature and become good only by a correction of grace. It was hugely consequential in Reformation Theology and its apprehension of the doctrine's of grace.

R.C. Sproul explained that "Augustine did not deny that fallen man still has a will and that the will is capable of making choices. He argued that fallen man still has a free will (liberium arbitrium) but has lost his moral liberty (libertas). The state of original sin leaves us in the wretched condition of being unable to refrain from sinning. We still are able to choose what we desire, but our desires remain chained by our evil impulses. He argued that the freedom that remains in the will always leads to sin. Thus in the flesh we are free only to sin, a hollow freedom indeed. It is freedom without liberty, a real moral bondage. True liberty can only come from without, from the work of God on the soul. Therefore we are not only partly dependent upon grace for our conversion but totally dependent upon grace." The very fact that all Christians recognize the necessity of the work of the Holy Spirit in conviction of sin, illumination, turning our heart of stone to a heart of flesh, regeneration and conversion, should be enough to convince everyone that, apart from the Spirit we always use our will and affections in rebellion against God. The natural man, apart form the Spirit, will simply never come to Christ. Preaching is the seed cast forth to the soil of men's hearts. but must be accompanied by the germination of the Spirit (so to speak) for any effectual conversion to taker place. The soil of men's hearts is hardened by nature and requires a supernatual plowing up of the fallow ground by God if the heart would be receptive to the seed of the gospel. In other words, the fallen will. left to itself, is spiritually impotent to understand and have affection for the beauty and excellence of Jesus Christ. The Holy Spirit, making use of the Word of God, alone can open our eyes to the truth of the gospel.

From this Augustine developed his now famous fourfold view of man: These four states, which are derived from the Scripture, correspond to the four states of man in relation to sin enumerated by Augustine of Hippo: (a) able to sin, able not to sin (posse peccare, posse non peccare); (b) not able not to sin (non posse non peccare); (c) able not to sin (posse non peccare); and (d) unable to sin (non posse peccare). The first state corresponds to the state of man in innocency, before the Fall; the second the state of the natural man after the Fall; the third the state of the regenerate man; and the fourth the glorified man.

              Pre-Fall Man

Post-Fall Man

Reborn Man

Glorified Man

able to sin

able to sin

able to sin

able to not sin

able to not sin

unable to not sin

able to not sin

unable to sin

[the] human will does not by liberty obtain grace, but by grace obtains liberty. Secondly, that by means of the same grace, the heart being impressed with a feeling of delight, is trained to persevere, and strengthened with invincible fortitude. Thirdly, that while grace governs the will, it never falls; but when grace abandons it, it falls forthwith. Fourthly, that by the free mercy of God, the will is turned to good, and when turned, perseveres. Fifthly, that the direction of the will to good, and its constancy after being so directed, depend entirely on the will of God, and not on any human merit. Thus the will, (free will, if you choose to call it so,) which is left to man, is, as he in another place (Ep. 46) describes it, a will which can neither be turned to God, nor continue in God, unless by grace; a will which, whatever its ability may be, derives all that ability from grace. (Calvin on Augustine)

Augustine's writings helped formulate the theory of the just war. He also advocated the use of force against the Donatists, asking "Why ... should not the Church use force in compelling her lost sons to return, if the lost sons compelled others to their destruction?" (The Correction of the Donatists, 22–24)

Augustine's work The City of God heavily influenced works of Wincenty Kadlubek and Stanislaw of Skarbimierz on the relation between ruler and his subjects that led to the creation of Nobles' Democracy and "De optimo senatore" by Wawrzyniec Grzymala Goslicki.

St. Thomas Aquinas took much from Augustine's theology while creating his own unique synthesis of Greek and Christian thought. Two later theologians who claimed special influence from Augustine were John Calvin and Cornelius Jansen. Calvinism developed as a part of Reformation theology, while Jansenism was a movement inside the Catholic Church; some Jansenists went into schism and formed their own church.

Augustine was canonized by popular recognition and recognized as a Doctor of the Church in 1303 by Pope Boniface VIII. His feast day is August 28, the day on which he is thought to have died. He is considered the patron saint of brewers, printers, theologians, sore eyes, and a number of cities and dioceses.

Eastern Orthodox theologians consider that Augustine's theology of original sin is a key source of division between East and West.

 

Books
On Christian Doctrine
Confessions
The City of God
Anti-Pelagian Writings
On the Trinity
Enchiridion

Essays on Augustine
Augustine and Pelagius by R.C. Sproul
The Pelagian Captivity of the Church by R.C. Sproul
Augustine's Framing of the Predestination Debate by Gregory Johnson
The Athanasian Creed / Augustine and the Pelagian Controversy by Charles Biggs
Augustine and Pelagius / The Council of Ephesus (431) By Charles R. Biggs
Semi-Pelagianism and the Council (Synod) of Orange (529) By Charles R. Biggs

Augustine of Hippo Part 1: From Pagan, to Cultist, to Skeptic, to Christian Sage
By Kenneth Richard Samples

Augustine of Hippo Part 2: Rightly Dividing the Truth By Kenneth Richard Samples
Human Nature in Its Fourfold State Thoughts on Augustine's View on the Will

Augustine & Jerome by Michael S. Horton

Works by Augustine
Augustine (354-430)
        Bio
        On the Predestination of the Saints (De Praedestinatione Sanctorum)
        On Grace and Free Will (De Gratia et Libero Arbitrio)
       Ante-Nicene Fathers Augustine
       Volume I.  Prolegomena: St. Augustine's Life and Work, Confessions, Letter
s
       Volume II.  The City of God, Christian Doctrine
       Volume III.  On the Holy Trinity, Doctrinal Treatises, Moral Treatises
       Volume IV.  The Anti-Manichaean Writings, The Anti-Donatist Writings
        Volume V.  Anti-Pelagian Writings
       Volume VI.  Sermon on the Mount, Harmony of the Gospels, Homilies on the Gospels
       Volume VII.  Homilies on the Gospel of John, Homilies on the First Epistle of John, Soliloquies
       Volume VIII.  Expositions on the Psalms
       On Faith and the Creed (De Fide et Symbolo)
       On Rebuke and Grace (De Correptione et Gratia)
       Merits and Forgiveness of Sins, and Baptism of Infants
       New Testament Sermons
       1John Homilies
       The Psalms
       On Christian Doctrine
       On the Trinity
       Handbook (Enchiridion) on Faith, Hope, and Love Site 2
       Letters
       Of Holy Virginity
       More...

 

 

 

 

26 posted on 01/10/2008 11:28:24 AM PST by AnalogReigns (Posse non peccare ex Christus)
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To: Kolokotronis; AnalogReigns
its possible he was reading what was passing for scripture in those days in Punic and making a comparison to Latin ... [it's] also possible that ... he may have been disappointed with a dog Latin version of some scripture

Those are certainly possible explanations. It seems that the latter is more likely based on what Benedict XVI also said about St. Augustine's "mastery" of Punic. Hopefully, the Holy Father will give a little more detail in a future address.

I think it is pretty well accepted that Blessed Augustine’s grasp of Greek was at best very limited.

I'll defer to those more knowledgeable than I on the matter.

27 posted on 01/10/2008 11:39:15 AM PST by ELS (Vivat Benedictus XVI!)
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To: ELS

It’s worth noting that your average Greek or Latin scholar today may write textbooks in English about these languages, but, to a conversant reader of Latin or Greek, may not actually write very well in them.

I suspect that was the case with St. Augustine and Greek. All we know for sure is he didn’t publish his works in it.


28 posted on 01/10/2008 12:52:53 PM PST by AnalogReigns (Posse non peccare ex Christus)
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To: Kolokotronis; lightman; ELS

Some canonical Western Rite Orthodox parishes use the Liturgy of St. Gregory the Great.

http://members.aol.com/FrNicholas/liturgy.htm


29 posted on 01/10/2008 1:21:54 PM PST by Honorary Serb (Kosovo is Serbia! Free Srpska! Abolish ICTY!)
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To: ELS

a very nice read, thank you.


30 posted on 01/10/2008 2:38:43 PM PST by the invisib1e hand
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To: Honorary Serb; jrny
Thanks for that link! The Liturgy of St. Gregory the Great is very close to the traditional Latin Mass. St. Gregory the Great did have a large influence on the liturgy of the Catholic Church. It is amazing how little the Mass changed from St. Gregory's time to 1969.
31 posted on 01/10/2008 2:57:16 PM PST by ELS (Vivat Benedictus XVI!)
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To: AnalogReigns

Point taken.


32 posted on 01/10/2008 2:57:37 PM PST by ELS (Vivat Benedictus XVI!)
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