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To: Kolokotronis

Could it be that NYer was referring to the Orthodox practice of giving the Body and Blood together from the chalice (on a spoon to a standing communicant) as intinction? In other words, the Body and Blood are not given separately (as they are at the Latin cocktail party mass).

I believe the point was that the entire Communion procedure is different, and that kneeling or standing is not the crucial differential.

That said, in the Latin rites, kneeling is more reverential. Heck, even the Orthodox in many traditions do a prostration before standing up to receive Communion.

What I really hate in a Latin rite church is when everybody kneels during the Consecration - except a few progressive types, usually short-haired women and long-haired men, who insist on standing right in front of you so you can observe their backsides instead of what’s going on at the altar. Incidentally, I’ve seen this in many countries, and I do think it’s not an innocent choice, but an intentional expression of their contemptuous opinion of both the Eucharist and their fellow congregants.


41 posted on 01/08/2008 7:02:18 PM PST by livius
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To: livius

“Could it be that NYer was referring to the Orthodox practice of giving the Body and Blood together from the chalice (on a spoon to a standing communicant) as intinction? In other words, the Body and Blood are not given separately (as they are at the Latin cocktail party mass).”

Now see, I was under the impression that “intinction” is the dipping of an azyme into the blood in the chalice and then giving the wine coated azyme to the communicant.

“I believe the point was that the entire Communion procedure is different, and that kneeling or standing is not the crucial differential...Heck, even the Orthodox in many traditions do a prostration before standing up to receive Communion.”

Indeed, the procedures for communion in the Divine Liturgy and the TLM are different and both are quite wonderful and quite reverent. But it is not the standing or the kneeling which makes the one or the other more or less reverent. It is a fact, however, that kneeling on Sundays is forbidden. And yes, there are Orthodow who do prostrations before communion, but a prostration is not kneeling.

“What I really hate in a Latin rite church is when everybody kneels during the Consecration - except a few progressive types, usually short-haired women and long-haired men, who insist on standing right in front of you so you can observe their backsides instead of what’s going on at the altar.”

We get this too here in the States. Most all Greek Orthodox will kneel at the consecration on Sundays (except between Pascha and Pentecost). Others stand but its a pretty safe bet that they are either from a Slavic Church or converted in one. No disrespect is meant at all. In fact, they may have a bit of contempt for us Greeks because, frankly, they are right and we are wrong.


44 posted on 01/08/2008 7:12:37 PM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: livius

Or in parishes that are in the downtown of a city, standing is often down once the creed/prayers of the faithful/prayer over the gifts gets going.


45 posted on 01/08/2008 7:13:49 PM PST by Biggirl (A biggirl with a big heart for God's animal creation, with 4 cats in my life as proof. =^..^=)
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