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To: livius

“Could it be that NYer was referring to the Orthodox practice of giving the Body and Blood together from the chalice (on a spoon to a standing communicant) as intinction? In other words, the Body and Blood are not given separately (as they are at the Latin cocktail party mass).”

Now see, I was under the impression that “intinction” is the dipping of an azyme into the blood in the chalice and then giving the wine coated azyme to the communicant.

“I believe the point was that the entire Communion procedure is different, and that kneeling or standing is not the crucial differential...Heck, even the Orthodox in many traditions do a prostration before standing up to receive Communion.”

Indeed, the procedures for communion in the Divine Liturgy and the TLM are different and both are quite wonderful and quite reverent. But it is not the standing or the kneeling which makes the one or the other more or less reverent. It is a fact, however, that kneeling on Sundays is forbidden. And yes, there are Orthodow who do prostrations before communion, but a prostration is not kneeling.

“What I really hate in a Latin rite church is when everybody kneels during the Consecration - except a few progressive types, usually short-haired women and long-haired men, who insist on standing right in front of you so you can observe their backsides instead of what’s going on at the altar.”

We get this too here in the States. Most all Greek Orthodox will kneel at the consecration on Sundays (except between Pascha and Pentecost). Others stand but its a pretty safe bet that they are either from a Slavic Church or converted in one. No disrespect is meant at all. In fact, they may have a bit of contempt for us Greeks because, frankly, they are right and we are wrong.


44 posted on 01/08/2008 7:12:37 PM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: Kolokotronis

Actually, I used to go to a Russian church and the Russians all knelt during the Consecration too. This has probably changed over time as other practices have come in, however.

There are obviously lots of options, but what matters is whether people respect the form of their church. When Latin rite Catholics, all of whom who used to kneel, are in a church where everybody is still kneeling, and some idiot makes a point of standing through it all (and it’s usually a couple, I’ve noticed, so we’re not talking about some poor soul with knee problems), I think they’re making a point. They always receive in the hand, of course. Most of them are probably Unnecessary Eucharistic Ministers in their home parishes...


49 posted on 01/08/2008 7:32:29 PM PST by livius
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To: Kolokotronis
the dipping of an azyme into the blood in the chalice and then giving the wine coated azyme to the communicant.

In our parish, we do not receive bread and wine during Communion. We receive the Body and Blood of the true Christ.

And, being an Anglican Use parish, we receive Them kneeling at the altar rail, directly upon the tongue.

64 posted on 01/08/2008 10:57:31 PM PST by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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