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1 posted on 01/08/2008 1:33:07 PM PST by NYer
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Why not just dump Vatican II altogether?


2 posted on 01/08/2008 1:34:08 PM PST by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
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This story won't make it to Albany's diocesan newspaper The Evangelist. It might prove scandalous.
3 posted on 01/08/2008 1:34:45 PM PST by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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In addition to demonstrating true adoration by kneeling, he said, receiving Communion on the tongue also avoids concerns about people receiving the body of Christ with dirty hands or of losing particles of the Eucharist, concerns that make sense if people truly believe in the sacrament.

It will also prevent or at least hamper people from just walking out with the Host in their hand. I've watched our priests and servers stop people from trying to do this on a couple of occasions.
13 posted on 01/08/2008 2:00:11 PM PST by Antoninus (If you want the national GOP to look more like the Massachusetts GOP, vote for Flip Romney)
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This is really the only sensible manner of receiving Communion, if one actually considers what he’s doing. If I am not worthy for the Lord to enter under my roof, then surely I must approach Him in fear and trembling to receive Him as reverently and humbly as I am able.


14 posted on 01/08/2008 2:15:53 PM PST by AdAltareDei (Introibo ad altare Dei.)
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Push the altars up against the front wall, reestablish the position of the tabernacle in the center of the altar and rebuild the communion rails.

Altar boys with patens, communion on the tongue while kneeling and Masses in Latin.

These are a few of my favourite things...


15 posted on 01/08/2008 2:16:47 PM PST by MarkBsnr (V. Angelus Domini nuntiavit Mariae. R. Et concepit de Spiritu Sancto.)
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CNS? Isn’t that the wholly-owned subsidiary of the USCCB? Wonder who let this through . . . and what his new job will be! ;-)


16 posted on 01/08/2008 2:18:22 PM PST by maryz
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“Christ truly nourishes us with his body and blood in holy Communion and, in the patristic era, it was compared to maternal breastfeeding,” he said.”

This is true...and in the patristic era people received communion standing up, like we still do in Orthodoxy and Oriental Orthodoxy.

“”If some nonbeliever arrived and observed such an act of adoration perhaps he, too, would ‘fall down and worship God, declaring, God is really in your midst,’” wrote Auxiliary Bishop Athanasius Schneider of Karaganda, Kazakhstan, quoting from the First Letter to the Corinthians.”

Sort of like this?

“”When we journeyed among the Bulgars, we beheld how they worship in their temple, called a mosque, while they stand ungirt. The Bulgarian bows, sits down, looks hither and thither like one possessed, and there is no happiness among them, but instead only sorrow and a dreadful stench. Their religion is not good. Then we went among the Germans, and saw them performing many ceremonies in their temples; but we beheld no glory there. Then we went on to Greece, and the Greeks led us to the edifices where they worship their God, and we knew not whether we were in heaven or on earth. For on earth there is no such splendour or such beauty, and we are at a loss how to describe it. We know only that God dwells there among men, and their service is fairer than the ceremonies of other nations. For we cannot forget that beauty. Every man, after tasting something sweet, is afterward unwilling to accept that which is bitter, and therefore we cannot dwell longer here.” Then the vassals spoke and said, “If the Greek faith were evil, it would not have been adopted by your grandmother Olga, who was wiser than all other men.”

Oh, right, that was an Orthodox Divine Liturgy, not an N.O. folk mass under the direction Sr. Trixie and her electric guitar. Do you suppose some pagan who went to an N.O. folk mass or better yet a clown mass where the laity knelt to receive communion would be so impressed as to believe that God dwelt there with men?

I don’t.


18 posted on 01/08/2008 2:30:50 PM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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Yes!


21 posted on 01/08/2008 3:07:51 PM PST by AliVeritas (ah, the sheer grace! in darkness and concealment, my house being now all stilled.)
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I’d be happy to kneel if they’d put the rail back so I could GET BACK UP.


32 posted on 01/08/2008 5:48:48 PM PST by nina0113 (If fences don't work, why does the White House have one?)
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47 posted on 01/08/2008 7:16:30 PM PST by narses (...the spirit of Trent is abroad once more.)
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In our Anglican Catholic Church, everyone but the elderly kneel, and those who receive the Host dipped in the chalice receive by tongue, while those who take Wine directly from the Chalice first take the Host in the palm of our crossed hands.


57 posted on 01/08/2008 9:43:36 PM PST by Huber (And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. - John 1:5)
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Wow! I like this!


62 posted on 01/08/2008 10:27:37 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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As Cardinal Ratzinger opined, was the Church receiving the Eucharist unworthily by hand over the first 900 years?

I agree that it’s outwardly more reverential to receive on the tongue, but if I may further paraphrase Cardinal Ratzinger, the sins we commit with our tongue are as bad, if not worse, than what we do with our hands.

I was receiving on the tongue for many years, and then I realized I was secretly considering myself superior to those who receive by hand - which is a terrible sin of spiritual pride. Now I receive by hand, since it is perfectly acceptable to do so. Others may not have issues with spiritual pride, but I definitely do.


70 posted on 01/09/2008 11:05:32 AM PST by Rutles4Ever (Ubi Petrus, ibi ecclesia, et ubi ecclesia vita eterna)
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Here’s a good article on the subject..

http://matt1618.freeyellow.com/communion.html

Before he bacame pope, Cardinal Ratzinger said he was not fussy about it.


78 posted on 01/10/2008 9:00:37 PM PST by Scotswife
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If Bishop Schneider was really a “Thuc line Bishop,” he would NOT accept the ‘primacy’ of JPII, Benedict XVI, John XIII, which he clearly states he does, as they are all antipopes.

Archbishop Ngo dinh Thuc STATED CLEARLY THAT THE SEAT OF PETER IS VACANT!

Therefore all these so-called ‘Thuc line Bishops,’ are ipso facto excommunicated, IF they ever were ever validly ordained and consecrated in the first place. There are but three TRUE Bishops remaining in the Church today - Christ has NOT abandoned His flock - but pride, pride, disobedient pride of mankind’s fallen human nature will NOT accept that.

Humility is the gretest of the virtues from which all others proceed - NO ONE is in Heaven who will not truly humble themselves - but the world violently rejects that today, to their ultimate destruction.

I’m sorry if that offends all the “Traditionalists,” but Truth is Truth. The grace of my Confirmation requires me to defend the Faith, no matter what!


89 posted on 08/20/2008 10:33:09 AM PDT by WearyMotherUSA
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