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To: Pyro7480; Matchett-PI; XeniaSt; DouglasKC

It’s difficult to dialog with restorationist types (e.g., Jehovah’s Witnesses, WWCOG, Campbellites, modern “messianic Jews”) because they have no historical frame of reference. In large part they deny the validity of the ecumenical creeds, and thus refuse to accept the orthodoxy that has been a hallmark of the universal church.

They are thus free to reinterpret history to support their restorationist theories, which are way outside of the mainstream of Christian theology for the most part.


14 posted on 01/08/2008 10:04:56 AM PST by topcat54 ("The selling of bad beer is a crime against Christian love.")
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To: topcat54; Pyro7480; Matchett-PI; XeniaSt
It’s difficult to dialog with restorationist types...In large part they deny the validity of the ecumenical creeds, and thus refuse to accept the orthodoxy that has been a hallmark of the universal church.

It must be very difficult since nobody is really wanting to deal with the substance of the post.

You are correct though in that there's not to much to discuss when "orthodoxy" goes against what the bible teaches. We all have a choice whether we want to practice what the bible teaches or what tradition teaches.

16 posted on 01/08/2008 10:18:42 AM PST by DouglasKC
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To: topcat54; Pyro7480; Matchett-PI; DouglasKC

It’s difficult to dialog with restorationist types (e.g., Jehovah’s Witnesses, WWCOG, Campbellites, modern “messianic Jews”) because they have no historical frame of reference. In large part they deny the validity of the ecumenical creeds, and thus refuse to accept the orthodoxy that has been a hallmark of the universal church.

They are thus free to reinterpret history to support their restorationist theories, which are way outside of the mainstream of Christian theology for the most part.

14 posted on 01/08/2008 11:04:56 AM MST by topcat54

Matthew 7:13 "Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and
the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter
through it.

Matthew 7:14 "For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life,
and there are few who find it.

Matthew 7:15 "Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing,
but inwardly are ravenous wolves.

b'SHEM Yahshua
19 posted on 01/08/2008 10:47:11 AM PST by Uri’el-2012 (you shall know that I, YHvH, your Savior, and your Redeemer, am the Elohim of Ya'aqob. Isaiah 60:16)
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To: Pyro7480; Matchett-PI; XeniaSt; DouglasKC
I wrote, “It’s difficult to dialog with restorationist types (e.g., Jehovah’s Witnesses, WWCOG, Campbellites, modern “messianic Jews”) because they have no historical frame of reference.”

I need to apologize and clarify my comment. I didn’t mean to lump orthodox yet aberrant groups like (trinitarian) messianic Jews with heretical groups like the JWs and WWCOG splinter groups like the United Church of God which deny the orthodox formulation on the Trinity. Not all restorationists are heretics. Those which accept the early church councils’ pronouncements on the nature of the Godhead are far removed from modern cults which deny the councils.

I apologize for seeming to lump them all together.

39 posted on 01/08/2008 4:13:30 PM PST by topcat54 ("The selling of bad beer is a crime against Christian love.")
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To: topcat54

It’s difficult to dialog with restorationist types (e.g., Jehovah’s Witnesses, WWCOG, Campbellites, modern “messianic Jews”) because they have no historical frame of reference. In large part they deny the validity of the ecumenical creeds, and thus refuse to accept the orthodoxy that has been a hallmark of the universal church.

They are thus free to reinterpret history to support their restorationist theories, which are way outside of the mainstream of Christian theology for the most part.
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And thus we get mormonism.....


40 posted on 01/09/2008 1:46:58 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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