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Pope decries world with luxury for few and poverty for many
International Herald Tribune ^ | January 6, 2008 | AP Staff

Posted on 01/06/2008 2:34:47 PM PST by forkinsocket

VATICAN CITY: Pope Benedict XVI on Sunday criticized a world with luxury for a few and poverty for many and called for moderate lifestyles to ensure fair distribution of wealth amid a scramble for natural resources.

"One cannot say that globalization is synonymous with world order — it's the opposite," Benedict said in his homily in St. Peter's Basilica to mark the Catholic feast day of the Epiphany.

"The conflicts for economic supremacy, and the scramble for energy and water resources and raw materials render difficult the work of all those who strive to construct a more just and united world," Benedict said.

"We need a greater hope, which allows us to prefer the common good of all to the luxury of few and the poverty of many," the pontiff said.

"If true hope is lacking, you search for happiness in intoxication, in the superfluous, in excess, and you ruin yourself and the world," he said. "Moderation is not only an ascetic rule, but also a way of salvation for humanity."

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1 posted on 01/06/2008 2:34:49 PM PST by forkinsocket
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To: forkinsocket
"One cannot say that globalization is synonymous with world order

Mainly it is deliberate expansion of the market for oil products. That done, the rest of the merchandise is automatically in demand. Those who are in poverty, such as N Kor, are resisting establishment of the oil market.

2 posted on 01/06/2008 2:37:22 PM PST by RightWhale (Dean Koonz is good, but my favorite authors are Dun and Bradstreet)
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To: forkinsocket
Pope Benedict XVI on Sunday criticized a world with luxury for a few and poverty for many and called for moderate lifestyles to ensure fair distribution of wealth amid a scramble for natural resources.

Is this some kind of merger between Catholicism and Communism? Maybe we should call it Cathommunism? Or Commolicism?

3 posted on 01/06/2008 2:39:07 PM PST by Onelifetogive (* Sarcasm tag ALWAYS required. For some FReepers, sarcasm can NEVER be obvious enough.)
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To: forkinsocket
VATICAN CITY: Pope Benedict XVI on Sunday criticized a world with luxury for a few and poverty for many and called for moderate lifestyles to ensure fair distribution of wealth amid a scramble for natural resources.

A fair distribution of wealth would be if those that work hard can enjoy what they earn. Those that waste their time should not covet thy neighbors possessions but should covet his work ethic.

4 posted on 01/06/2008 2:40:01 PM PST by oldbrowser
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To: forkinsocket

Can government do the work of God (Charity)?

What I have read and understood from the Bible is that God and Jesus wants us to help each other by using our own time, treasure and talent and to give from our hearts (”Each man should give what he has decided in his heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.” - 2 Corinthians 9:7). Nowhere have I found anything along the lines of “Go out and institute huge bureaucracies that will take money from some people at the point of a sword and give that money to other people as a politician sees fit.”

Our Founding Fathers were Christian and very pious men. They founded this country under strong Judeo-Christian tenets and reflected on their religious beliefs on all their decisions. They wrote nothing into the Constitution of any type of government “aid” to help the poor, children or anyone else on purpose. They wanted a very limited government for good reason. Limited government is the best way to ensure that freedom will be preserved. The Scottish philosopher Alexander Tytler, who lived during the time of the American Revolution and writing of the US Constitution, summed these views:

“A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves money from the public treasure.

From that moment on the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most money from the public treasury, with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world’s great civilizations has been two hundred years.

These nations have progressed through the following sequence: from bondage to spiritual faith, from spiritual faith to great courage, from courage to liberty, from liberty to abundance, from abundance to selfishness, from selfishness to complacency from complacency to apathy, from apathy to dependency, from dependency back to bondage.”

There are many interesting questions if citizens rely on government to do “God’s Work.”

If a government takes a portion of a man’s wages and does good with it, has the man also done good? If a government takes away a portion of a woman’s property and does evil with it, has the woman also done evil? When a rich man pays more in taxes than a poor person, is he more Godly? If the government then does evil, is he more to blame? A woman works for the government and uses other people’s tax money and does “God Work” with it, is this government woman now a good/Godly woman? If I legally try to avoid paying taxes, does that not make me an “Ungodly” man?

Today, the US government (federal, state and local) takes nearly 50% of a middle-class person’s paycheck after all taxes are factored in (income taxes, Social Security, sales tax, real estate taxes, gas tax, death taxes, phone taxes, highway tolls, sad etc.). Uncle Sam will spend more money in just this year (2004) than it spent combined between 1787 and 1900 - even after adjusting for inflation. I cringe at those numbers. The Founding Fathers wanted nothing like the tax-consuming monster that we have as a government today. I also think of all the good work that could have be done if people were allowed to keep more of their own money and give it to organizations/people that they believe in their heart are doing God’s work. Maybe it comes down to trust. Will people do the right thing with their own money or must a government take a huge chunk of it to do the “right things?”

Except government rarely does anything right except for those tasks that were explicitly outlined in the Constitution as the Founding Father intended. I could cite many examples (such as where would you rather put $10,000 in retirement money - in Social Security or in your own 401k plan?) but the plight of black America illustrates this failure beyond comparison.

In 1965, the US government was going to wipe out poverty by the “Great Society” programs, in which to date over 3.5 trillion dollars has been spent. These federal programs were designed to “help families and children” or “buy votes” depending on your political viewpoint.

At the beginning of the 1960’s, the black out of wedlock birth rate was 22%. In the late 1975 it reached 49% and shot up to 65% in 1989. In some of the largest urban centers of the nation the rate of illegitimacy among blacks today exceeds 80% and averages 69% nationwide. As late as the 1970’s there was still a social stigma attached to a woman who was pregnant outside marriage. Now, government programs have substituted for the father and for black moral leadership. The black family and culture has collapsed (and white families are not that far behind).

Illegitimacy leads directly to poverty, crime and social problems. Out of wedlock children are four times more likely to be poor. They are much more likely to live in high crime areas with no hope of escape. In turn, they are forced to attend dangerous and poor-performing government schools, which directly leads to another generation of poverty.

Traditional black areas of Harlem, Englewood and West Philadelphia in the 1950s were safe working class neighborhoods (even though “poor” by material measures). Women were unafraid to walk at night and children played unmolested in the streets and parks. Today, these are some of the worst crime plagued areas of our nation. Work that was once dignified is now shunned. Welfare does not require recipients to do anything in exchange for their benefits. Many rules actually discourage work or provide benefits that reduce the incentive to find work.

The black abortion rate today is nearly 40%. Pregnancies among black women are twice as likely to end in abortion as pregnancies among white and Hispanic women.

The “Great Society” programs all had good intentions. Unfortunately, their real world results are that they have replaced the traditional/Christian models of family/work with that of what a government bureaucrat thinks it should be.

I could make an excellent argument that if the US government had hired former grand wizards of the KKK to run the “Great Society” programs, and if they had worked every day from 1965 to today without rest, they could have hardly have done better in destroying black America than the “Works of God” that the government has done or is trying to do.

I have visited many countries in which the government “guarantees” that everyone has a job, a place to live, education, health care and cradle to grave “government help” for all children and families. It all sounds great except that the people in these countries are/were miserable. They wanted to escape but were forced by their governments, at the end of a gun, to stay. The “worker’s paradises” of socialist and communist counties are chilling reminders of letting governments do “God’s Work.”

The Bible clearly states that we are to help those in need. The question is “Who should help those in need?” I firmly believe that scripture and the historical evidence strongly support that individuals, private organizations and churches should be the ones doing the heavy lifting. Government help should be the last resort. “Charity,” enforced by the government, is not charity, it is extortion. “Charity,” delivered by the government, is not charity, it is a bribe which corrupts both the giver and the receiver.

Very Sincerely,

2banana


5 posted on 01/06/2008 2:40:03 PM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: Onelifetogive

Hey Pope move out and be a Sister Teresa type.


6 posted on 01/06/2008 2:40:30 PM PST by boomop1
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To: Onelifetogive

This has always been a Catholic ideal. It’s somewhat paternalist, perhaps, but the ideal is that the owner of the company may have more, even much more, but that at the same time he has a responsibility to his employees. Depending on the circumstances, this can take the form of things ranging from supplying housing (in wretched 3rd world holes) to supplying college scholarships. This was actually fairly common in companies, particularly family owned companies, until the 1970s, when companies shed any pretense of being interested in their employees or wanting to retain them.


7 posted on 01/06/2008 2:44:35 PM PST by livius
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To: forkinsocket
Problem = poverty

Solution = capitalism

8 posted on 01/06/2008 2:45:01 PM PST by BenLurkin
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To: Onelifetogive

Sure sounds like this is a merger between Catholicism and Communism with a dash of Al Gorism too....friggin’ Pope is becoming the enemy of Free People everywhere!


9 posted on 01/06/2008 2:46:02 PM PST by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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To: Onelifetogive

No, it’s not a merger between Catholicism and communism. It’s Christian charity.


10 posted on 01/06/2008 2:47:45 PM PST by karnage
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To: 2banana

A very noteworhty post.

You’ll also note that charity inevitably dries up in any nation with a socialist backbone. People see the job of caring for others as belonging to the state and do not take it upon themselves to give of their time or money.

The church dies on the vine in these places, its mission replaced by the loud demands of government. There is no voice of compassion. No call to better one’s lot. Simply the machinations of the state rolling along, creating little cogs out of those it rolls over.

The populists in the end aspire towards this goal, whether they do so willingly or not.


11 posted on 01/06/2008 2:48:33 PM PST by CaspersGh0sts
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To: forkinsocket
Evidently my Pope is not a reader of the Bible. You are given talents and if you chose not to use those talents then it is your own decision. If one is in good shape and unless one steals their money they have utilized their talents in the desired way that they were intended.

We no longer have class partitions as they do in Europe and other planes in the world. Thank God for the USA.

12 posted on 01/06/2008 2:49:33 PM PST by YOUGOTIT (The Greatest Threat to our Security is the US Senate)
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To: NYer

ping


13 posted on 01/06/2008 2:49:59 PM PST by kalee (The offenses we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we write in marble. JHuett)
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To: forkinsocket

I suppose the Vatican will set the example by selling all its art and other valuables and will give it to the poor. While lecturing us on sacrificial giving, I do hope the Pope was wearing a plain linen robe like Jesus wore and not the ostentatious garb he usually wears.


14 posted on 01/06/2008 2:50:21 PM PST by kittymyrib
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To: RightWhale
Then let the "poverty stricken" get off their arses and work to better themselves the same way the "wealthy" peoples and nations have for hundreds of years. They didn't get wealthy by emulating how their people made fire 2000 years ago!

If the Pope isn't willing to tell them this, then all he's doing is asking for a handout for them. No such thing as the Lord helps those who help themselves anymore, huh?

15 posted on 01/06/2008 2:51:18 PM PST by HeartlandOfAmerica (The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.)
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To: HeartlandOfAmerica

That’s not the problem in N Kor nor any third world country.


16 posted on 01/06/2008 2:54:43 PM PST by RightWhale (Dean Koonz is good, but my favorite authors are Dun and Bradstreet)
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To: HeartlandOfAmerica

If the valuable art works in The Vatican were sold lots of poor could be fed.


17 posted on 01/06/2008 2:55:14 PM PST by Mears
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To: forkinsocket

If he really cares he should be out speaking in support of constitutional republics and free markets.


18 posted on 01/06/2008 2:58:04 PM PST by ExpatGator (Extending logic since 1961.)
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To: oldbrowser

God Almighty only asked for 10% to cover the church and its associated charities. Hey all you Evangelicals, you remember that stuff - that’s your job, not the governments!


19 posted on 01/06/2008 2:58:29 PM PST by RKV (He who has the guns makes the rules)
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To: forkinsocket
"If true hope is lacking, you search for happiness in intoxication, in the superfluous, in excess, and you ruin yourself and the world," he said. "Moderation is not only an ascetic rule, but also a way of salvation for humanity." I'll drink to that.
20 posted on 01/06/2008 2:59:35 PM PST by judsonlegacy
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