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JOEL OSTEEN BLESSES THE MORMON CHURCH
Apprising Ministries ^ | 1-3-08 | Ken Silva

Posted on 01/04/2008 2:10:49 PM PST by Terriergal

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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

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101 posted on 01/05/2008 5:19:29 PM PST by colorcountry (To anger a conservative, lie to him. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar; colorcountry

Colorcountry seems to think he can convert us to his way of thinking while using words that piss us off, even though he has heard from us that they creat anger and a desire to not listen.

To my way of thinking he loves his words more the he loves the idea of converting us.

What do you think?


102 posted on 01/05/2008 5:35:53 PM PST by fproy2222
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To: Saundra Duffy

No, I’m calling him a huckster. I don’t know much about you, so I wouldn’t presume to call you names. (But the little I’m aware of is good, FWIW.)


103 posted on 01/05/2008 5:37:12 PM PST by Xenalyte (Can you count, suckas? I say the future is ours . . . if you can count.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
Act 7:57 Then they cried out with a loud voice, and stopped their ears, and ran upon him with one accord,
Act 7:58 And cast [him] out of the city, and stoned [him]:

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I will not go calmly like Stephen did, even though cc will not hear and learn.

104 posted on 01/05/2008 5:40:31 PM PST by fproy2222
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To: fproy2222; colorcountry

It was my understanding that colorcountry is a “she”.

Yes?


105 posted on 01/05/2008 5:50:19 PM PST by Scotswife
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To: Scotswife

Yes.


106 posted on 01/05/2008 5:52:39 PM PST by colorcountry (To anger a conservative, lie to him. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: fproy2222; colorcountry

**Colorcountry seems to think he can convert us to his way of thinking while using words that piss us off, even though he has heard from us that they creat anger and a desire to not listen.***

A friend of mine liked to get people so upset they would run to their bibles to prove us wrong.

He had people who hadn’t cracked a bible in 20 years reading, and learning it again.


107 posted on 01/05/2008 5:53:30 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Only infidel blood can quench Muslim thirst-- Abdul-Jalil Nazeer al-Karouri)
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To: colorcountry

ok...for a second I thought I might have confused you with another poster.


108 posted on 01/05/2008 5:53:44 PM PST by Scotswife
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To: Terriergal

Osteen makes my skin crawl.


109 posted on 01/05/2008 5:57:27 PM PST by tbpiper
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

“He had people who hadn’t cracked a bible in 20 years reading, and learning it again.”

And that is a good thing.

If healthy debate can cause people to read it for themselves there is nothing wrong with that.


110 posted on 01/05/2008 6:03:31 PM PST by Scotswife
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I love you. But what is more important is God loves you.

He has come to set you free of your bondage. The entire gospel is summed up in: Love God, Love others.

My love is not perfect, but His is.


111 posted on 01/05/2008 7:49:27 PM PST by colorcountry (To anger a conservative, lie to him. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: HarleyD

We don’t have the right to touch one of God’s anointed. I try and be very careful about that since He isn’t happy when we do. If we want to ‘judge’ someone, we need to speak to them face to face and not continually do it behind their backs. If you don’t like what he does, write to him. Call him. e-mail him.


112 posted on 01/05/2008 8:58:54 PM PST by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL.)
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To: Terriergal

Jesus faced them. WE just talk about them behind their backs.


113 posted on 01/05/2008 8:59:52 PM PST by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL.)
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To: colorcountry
"...forsake their...law-keeping."

Christ might have something to say about that..."If you love Me, you will keep My commandments"

114 posted on 01/05/2008 10:50:58 PM PST by Domandred (Eagles soar, but unfortunately weasels never get sucked into jet engines)
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To: Marysecretary
We don’t have the right to touch one of God’s anointed. ..If we want to ‘judge’ someone, we need to speak to them face to face and not continually do it behind their backs.

At what point is a person "God's anointed" versus a false teacher? The church is filled with many who fall into apostasy. We ARE instructed by the apostles to judge those who claim to be INSIDE the church and to shun those who willingly hold false ideas contrary. We cannot judge those outside the church because they are not enlightened.

Rick Warren has been approached many times about his teachings, yet he believes his is the right gospel. So does Gene Robinson. None of this is behind their backs. What good will it do me to e-mail them when they don't respond to criticism from far more illustrious teachers and preachers?

I remember quite a few years back when John MacArthur started teaching Lordship Salvation, where someone can believe in Christ but live a carnal life. He was, rightfully rebuked by a number of prominent clergy and he recanted. The problem this creates when a prominent pastor like MacArthur strays into error is that it reverberates throughout Christendom. You can type in Lordship Salvation and find this false doctrine still circulating on the Internet, even under John MacArthur's title even though he rejected it long ago.

Augustine also had a similar problem. When he understood God's grace and the error of his doctrine, he immediately recalled his life's writings. Things still float around out there.

We all slip into error from time to time. We are commanded to study the scriptures to see if what we believe is true. When we find we are in error, we are suppose to humble ourselves, confess that we are wrong and move on. God understand and that is the way this system was designed. It helps teach us humility.

A person can support Rick Warren or those who state that Rick Warren is not teaching according to the gospel, but they can't do both. Rick Warren's message has strayed from the true gospel. In the end a person can only look after their own salvation and warn others when they think someone is teaching falsely.

Mat 22:16 And they *sent their disciples to Him, along with the Herodians, saying, "Teacher, we know that You are truthful and teach the way of God in truth, and defer to no one; for You are not partial to any.

115 posted on 01/06/2008 4:29:17 AM PST by HarleyD
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To: Domandred
..."If you love Me, you will keep My commandments"

You are correct, this is what Christ tells us in the Bible. To be a commandment keeper brings you naught. To love Him, brings you into commandment keeping.

I think you know that Mormons keep commandments (or lie about it) in order to obtain a Temple Recommend, so that they can partake of oaths and covenants, and receive "endowments" in order to "earn" themselves a higher kingdom, an eternal family, and worlds of their own creation. What is it that they love? Who's glory are they interested in?

Nuff said.

116 posted on 01/06/2008 4:41:16 AM PST by colorcountry (To anger a conservative, lie to him. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Reagan79

http://www.southparkzone.com/episode.php?vid=712

Great episode.


117 posted on 01/06/2008 10:10:26 AM PST by College Repub
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To: Brad from Tennessee
He might go and worship beside the Mormons, embrace them and perhaps enlighten with love rather than subjective Bible scholarship.

But they'd toss Him out, saying, "Who are YOU?"

118 posted on 01/06/2008 1:49:32 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: TheDon
That's easy....they do not accept the trinity creed.

For STARTERS!

119 posted on 01/06/2008 1:50:19 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: All
 
Truth RESTORED???
 
 
 
For ANYTHING to trump the existing bible we have, it HAS to pass THIS test:
 
 
Galatians 1:7-10
 7.  Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
 8.  But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
 9.  As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
 
 
2 Corinthians 11:14-15
 14.  And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light.
 15.  It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.
 
http://scriptures.lds.org/en/js_h/1/19#19
  17 It no sooner appeared than I found myself delivered from the enemy which held me bound. When the light rested upon me I saw two Personages, whose brightness and glory defy all description, standing above me in the air. One of them spake unto me, calling me by name and said, pointing to the other—This is My Beloved Son. Hear Him!
  18 My object in going to inquire of the Lord was to know which of all the sects was right, that I might know which to join. No sooner, therefore, did I get possession of myself, so as to be able to speak, than I asked the Personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right (for at this time it had never entered into my heart that all were wrong)—and which I should join.
  19 I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: “they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.”
  20 He again forbade me to join with any of them; and many other things did he say unto me, which I cannot write at this time. When I came to myself again, I found myself lying on my back, looking up into heaven. When the light had departed, I had no strength; but soon recovering in some degree, I went home. And as I leaned up to the fireplace, mother inquired what the matter was. I replied, “Never mind, all is well—I am well enough off.” I then said to my mother, “I have learned for myself that Presbyterianism is not true.”  
 
 
 
If one believes the Bible is correct, then, by that Standard, Mormonism fails the test.
 
 
If, however, you are convinced that the Bible is either in error, been corrupted or mis-interpreted, then you are free to believe whatever you wish.
 
 
 
 
 

120 posted on 01/06/2008 1:51:48 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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