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Secular Christmas Celebration Pointless, Pope Says
Catholic World News ^ | 12/19/07

Posted on 12/20/2007 6:52:53 AM PST by marshmallow

Vatican, Dec. 19, 2007 (CWNews.com) - At his weekly public audience on December 19, Pope Benedict XVI (bio - news) said that a secular Christmas celebration is impossible.

"If we do not recognize that God was made man, what sense does it have to celebrate Christmas?" the Holy Father asked. "We Christians must reaffirm with profound and heartfelt conviction the truth of Christ's Nativity."

Speaking to about 5,000 people in the Paul VI auditorium, the Pope acknowledged that many people make the effort to separate the Christmas celebration from the message of the Incarnation. He added that the Christian joy at the Nativity encounters opposition in a secular society that has "formed a view of tolerance and pluralism such that to believe that Truth has been effectively manifested appears to constitute an attack on tolerance and the freedom of man."

Nevertheless Christians have a duty to proclaim the truth, and speak out about the reason for Christmas joy. That duty, he said, "arises from the duty of evangelization." In his final Wednesday audience before Christmas, Pope Benedict encouraged the faithful to pray "more intensely for the realization of hopes of peace and salvation." Breaking from his prepared text, he reflected that the world is longing to see justice done. "In this context," he said, "we pray to Jesus Christ to come as a Judge."

While praying for justice, the Pope continued extemporaneously, Christians should also do their best at "creating justice in our own lives" as they prepare to celebrate Christ's coming.


TOPICS: Catholic; General Discusssion; Religion & Culture; Theology
KEYWORDS: christmas; pope; secularization

1 posted on 12/20/2007 6:52:54 AM PST by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow

“If we do not recognize that God was made man, what sense does it have to celebrate Christmas?”

To have a big party in the here and now because “that’s all there is”. Materialism/hedonism rules the day.


2 posted on 12/20/2007 6:57:28 AM PST by weegee (If Bill Clinton can sit in on Hillary's Cabinet Meetings then GWBush should ask to get to sit in too)
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To: marshmallow
"If we do not recognize that God was made man, what sense does it have to celebrate Christmas?" the Holy Father asked. "We Christians must reaffirm with profound and heartfelt conviction the truth of Christ's Nativity."

The Catholic League's Bill Donohue doesn't like how Mike Huckabee reaffirms the truth of Christ's Nativity:

"Because there's a pattern here," he added. "Every other word out of [Huckabee's] mouth is that 'I'm Christian.' He's calling into question Romney's Mormonism...let people talk about their faith, but don't sell it on your sleeve."

Added Donahue, "Yeah, I believe in freedom of speech and freedom of religion, but don't become a salesman. Don't hawk it like that on the street."

The Catholic League president suggested that Huckabee was relying on his faith too heavily as a campaign tactic.

"If it was just the Christmas ad, I wouldn't have one complaint about it," he said. "But when you juxtapose that with all these other kinds of things, there's a subliminal message there, and it's all done intentionally...what he's trying to say to the evangelicals in Western Iowa is 'I'm the real thing.'"

3 posted on 12/20/2007 7:07:59 AM PST by Alex Murphy ("Therefore the prudent keep silent at that time, for it is an evil time." - Amos 5:13)
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To: marshmallow
Thank you for posting this marshmallow.

Zenit has this one if you are interested...
A Christless Christmas Is Senseless, Says Pope
http://www.zenit.org/article-21341?l=english

Thank you marshmallow.
4 posted on 12/20/2007 7:27:04 AM PST by roamer (ô¿ô.....† Mass, Divine Mercy chaplet and Rosary †)
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To: marshmallow

Precisely. The Pope is right on this one.

Wish this were on the Front Page News section of FR instead of the religion forum.


5 posted on 12/20/2007 7:32:21 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain! True Supporters of Our Troops Support the Necessity of their Sacrifice!)
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To: marshmallow

Concentrate on the birth of the Christ Child at Chrisit-Mass.

All are invited to a Christmas Mass at any Catholic Church. Time to come home, folks!


6 posted on 12/20/2007 7:50:36 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: marshmallow
B16 hits another one out of the park! Bravo!

I may be a Protestant, but I love this Pope.

7 posted on 12/20/2007 8:16:18 AM PST by jboot (If I can't get a Josiah, I'll settle for a Jehu)
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To: jboot

Me too and I’m Jewish. But the Christmas season helps bring me closer to God.


8 posted on 12/20/2007 9:01:02 AM PST by onedoug
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To: marshmallow
Reminds me of C.S. Lewis's essay on "Christmas and Xmas"! OTOH, maybe the secular celebration has its uses for those who don't understand -- I saw something in First Things a year or two ago, citing St. Francis of Assisi saying that the animals should be given an extra portion of food on Christmas, so that they too can rejoice, even if they don't understand why! ;-)
9 posted on 12/20/2007 9:05:27 AM PST by maryz
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To: maryz

ROFLMAO!!


10 posted on 12/20/2007 9:13:53 AM PST by marshmallow
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To: Alex Murphy

Don’ agree with Donahue about this. Maybe Huckabee is simply unabashedly saying what others will not.


11 posted on 12/20/2007 9:21:39 AM PST by RobbyS
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To: Alex Murphy

Don’ agree with Donahue about this. Maybe Huckabee is simply unabashedly saying what others will not.


12 posted on 12/20/2007 9:21:39 AM PST by RobbyS
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To: weegee; marshmallow
Sadly in our culture that is what it has become. We have parties and give presents in December to support the stores.

A friend of mine, last year, after getting rather bummed out about the commercialization of Christmas, said that one of these days he is going to “Just give the kids three gifts, if it was good enough for Christ it will be good enough for them”.

I think he had a good point. Christmas is about the Incarnation, not presents, lights, or trees.

13 posted on 12/20/2007 5:31:09 PM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: marshmallow
Secular Christmas Celebration Pointless, Pope Says

Obviously, Benedict missed the Neiman Marcus Christmas Catalog:

14 posted on 12/20/2007 7:18:41 PM PST by iowamark
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To: redgolum

My neighbor across the street is doing exactly that—just 3 gifts for each child. We have scaled waaayyy back this year. It’s hard not to get sucked into the, “Buy, Buy, Buy!” mentality.


15 posted on 12/20/2007 7:53:34 PM PST by Aggie Mama
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To: weegee; roamer; xzins; jboot; redgolum; iowamark; Aggie Mama
On the Birth of Christ (full text of Pope's address at his general audience December 19, 2007)
16 posted on 12/20/2007 8:10:44 PM PST by ELS (Vivat Benedictus XVI!)
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To: marshmallow
At his weekly public audience on December 19, Pope Benedict XVI said that a secular Christmas celebration is impossible. "If we do not recognize that God was made man, what sense does it have to celebrate Christmas?" the Holy Father asked. "We Christians must reaffirm with profound and heartfelt conviction the truth of Christ's Nativity."

As a Lutheran pastor, I do not agree with the Pope on a number of issues. But I do agree with him on this!

17 posted on 12/22/2007 1:28:28 PM PST by Charles Henrickson (Lutheran pastor, LCMS)
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To: marshmallow

BTTT!


18 posted on 12/22/2007 1:37:20 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: marshmallow

Thanks MM for posting this.

Is it just me or are the main stream yet again off base in saying the Pope proclaimed an ‘environmental’ message.

Check it out for yourself and let me know what you think:

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20071225/D8TO6N8O0.html


19 posted on 12/25/2007 12:00:56 AM PST by ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton (To those who believe the world was safer with Saddam, get treatment for that!)
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