Posted on 12/18/2007 1:52:09 PM PST by NYer
Ping!
Excuse me????
Exactly. I missed the part where John, Paul, Matthew et. al. were Catholics.
Don’t get me started.
“Most of the books of the New Testament were written in the first 100 years after the Resurrection”
More like by the time John wrote Revelation around 70AD they were all written. I guess he is counting the Gnostic gospels. He should try reading one if he wants to talk about it.
Perhaps they meant re-wrote it.
Say What?
The average person couldn’t read at all at the time Latin or otherwise, but many years later, when Wycliff translated the Bible into english, people were killed by the Church:
One of Wycliffe’s followers, John Hus, actively promoted Wycliffe’s ideas: that people should be permitted to read the Bible in their own language, and they should oppose the tyranny of the Roman church that threatened anyone possessing a non-Latin Bible with execution. Hus was burned at the stake in 1415, with Wycliffe’s manuscript Bibles used as kindling for the fire. The last words of John Hus were that, “in 100 years, God will raise up a man whose calls for reform cannot be suppressed.” Almost exactly 100 years later, in 1517, Martin Luther nailed his famous 95 Theses of Contention (a list of 95 issues of heretical theology and crimes of the Roman Catholic Church) into the church door at Wittenberg. The prophecy of Hus had come true! Martin Luther went on to be the first person to translate and publish the Bible in the commonly-spoken dialect of the German people; a translation more appealing than previous German Biblical translations. Foxe’s Book of Martyrs records that in that same year, 1517, seven people were burned at the stake by the Roman Catholic Church for the crime of teaching their children to say the Lord’s Prayer in English rather than Latin.
First, Foxe’s Book of Martyrs is propaganda. More importantly, the issue wasn’t Wycliffe translating the Bible into English - it was his heretical teachings.
do you deny that the Church burned people at the stake for owning a non-latin bible?
do you deny that the Church burned people at the stake for owning a non-latin bible?
Anybody care to comment?
The Catholic Church was founded by Jesus. Of course his disciples were Catholic.
Anyone who was burned, was burned because they were convicted of heresy. "Owning a non-latin bible" is not a heresy and never was.
Do you deny that Catholics, with the approval of the Church, translated the scriptures into English and its predecessor languages beginning in the 8th century?
Do you deny that there were at least 14 Catholic editions of the Bible just in the High German language before Luther?
Do you deny that, in 1480, the Cologne Bible, one of those Catholic versions, contained this paragraph in its prologue:
"All Christians should read the Bible with piety and reverence, praying the Holy Ghost, who is the inspirer of the Scriptures, to enable them to understand . . . The learned should make use of the Latin translation of St. Jerome; but the unlearned and simple folk, whether laymen or clergy . . . should read the German translations now supplied, and thus arm themselves against the enemy of our salvation [i.e. Satan]."
Don't believe everything you've been told.
Make sure they comment on post number 13, as well.
You can have your own beliefs but not your own history.
The Catholic Church murdered people who disagreed with its teachings. This is because the Church had become corrupted and wanted to control the figurative keys to heaven. The Roman Church had interpreted their scripture to fit their narative, primarily to justify Peter as the foundation of the Church in the face of other claims.
It was this hubris that led to the Protestant reformation.
Or Moses for that matter.
I don’t really want to get you started but if they weren’t Catholics what were they? I’m truly curious.
Protestants murdered Catholics who disagreed with its teachings. Your point?
Although there were earlier attempts of an English translation of the Bible, the first whole translation of the Bible into the English language is ascribed to John Wycliffe (1384), who was an English theologian and religious reformer.
All of the Bible was written by Torah-observant Jews
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua
( except for the doctor Luke who was gentile)
under the guidance of the Ru'ach HaKodesh.
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