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Atheism and Amputation - (A new obsession of anti-Christian atheism)
Christian Post ^ | 28 Nov 07 | Peter Rosenberg

Posted on 11/30/2007 7:51:42 AM PST by xzins

A national weekly news magazine recently featured a debate between atheist/author Sam Harris and author/pastor Rick Warren ("The Purpose Driven Life"). As part of his debate, Mr. Harris threw down a challenge to prove God's existence by finding a deserving amputee and having 1 billion people pray for God to grow the leg back. In trying to disprove the existence of God, it's unclear why Mr. Harris chooses to focus on amputees growing limbs back rather than looking for a sea to split open or fish and loaves to multiply, and it's equally unclear why Harris specifically asked that it be a "leg" amputee versus an "arm" amputee. Nevertheless, that was the challenge.

A few weeks ago, C-Span featured a speech given at the annual meeting for American Atheists by a former "Saturday Night Live" actress. This group gave her a standing ovation and even presented her with a special plaque to honor her courage as an "atheist celebrity." The actress joked, "There is evidence for God, just not very good evidence." The audience was shown patting themselves on the back, laughing, applauding and apparently reveling in their ability to declare, "There is no God." Days later, on CBS' "Sunday Morning," the same group was featured, along with the same actress, again celebrating the "joys of atheism." Once more, the interview brought up the "amputee challenge" of Mr. Harris.

My wife of 21 years, Gracie, is a double-amputee (both legs), and our organization, Standing With Hope, is, to our knowledge, the only evangelical prosthetic limb outreach in the world. We travel to West Africa and work with the government of Ghana to train and equip their workers on building high-quality prosthetic legs. Gracie's definition of high quality is summed up in her statement, "I will not place a leg on someone that I am not willing to wear myself." It is hoped that Mr. Harris will agree that Gracie, who has undergone 70 operations and still finds the will and ability to help others struggling with limb loss, is a suitable "deserving" candidate for his challenge.

Atheists seem to insinuate that the ministry and comfort my family depends on, and shares with individuals across the country and overseas, is misguided and only a mirage. It is interesting to note that this group seems to take greater issue with the God of the Bible and Christian faith than with other world religions. They don't seem to put the Muslim faith to the test with the same sarcasm they save for Christianity.

According to this group, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Moses, King David, Elijah, John the Baptist and Jesus were deceived at best, or liars at worst. Of Jesus' remaining 11 disciples, 10 of them, and eventually the Apostle Paul, were tortured, beaten and died horrible deaths, without ever renouncing the resurrection. There are Islamic extremists who allow themselves to be killed, but they believe in their cause. The disciples were in a position to know whether or not Jesus actually rose from the dead.

His crucifixion is a matter of history (so is His resurrection). One simple question for atheist is: If Jesus did not rise from the dead, then why did the disciples allow themselves to be killed so horribly?

Conspirators at Enron wouldn't even face jail time without turning on each other. Michael Vick is going to jail because his friends turned on him over a dog-fighting ring. I have never heard of anyone willingly enduring torture or execution for a lie they perpetuated. If one of the disciples recanted, maybe history would have a case. But they all went to their deaths (skinned alive, crucifixion, sawn in two, beheaded) praising Jesus Christ. According to American Atheists, all of those disciples were wrong.

These atheists seem to suggest that they are more enlightened than every rabbi, pope, priest, Martin Luther, the Founding Fathers, Isaac Newton, John Milton, Billy Graham, C. S. Lewis, John F. Kennedy, Jimmy Carter, Ronald Reagan, Margaret Thatcher, Dr. Martin Luther King, Queen Elizabeth and billions of others. One prominent atheist went a step further to suggest that if Mother Teresa had been an atheist, her deeds would have been "more noble," since she wouldn't have been doing them with the thought of an afterlife as a reward. (You can't make this up; this is actually what they are saying.)

It appears atheists can claim an exhaustive investigation into the entire universe that leaves them with the overwhelming evidence that ...we are here by random chance. There are forests and whole stretches of land across the United States that haven't been totally explored, but atheist can lay back the entire cosmos with complete conviction that since a deserving amputee didn't grow a leg back, then, therefore, no deity exists.

To the atheists so concerned about amputees, it is difficult to understand why a good and loving God hasn't made Gracie's legs grow back.

That difficulty in understanding seemed to be part of the platform that led American Atheists to applaud an actress for having the courage to proclaim her conviction that "God doesn't exist." But while atheists applaud mocking comments about people of faith, amputees in Ghana are walking, going to school and taking care of their families – all because Gracie's courage – as an amputee – to proclaim her conviction that, "All things work together for good to those who love God and are called according to His purpose" (Romans 8:28).

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Peter Rosenberger is the president of Standing With Hope Inc., which is the non-profit prosthetic outreach he and his wife, Gracie, founded in 2002. Peter has been a public speaker for many years on such topics as health care, marriage and family issues, and evangelism. Peter and Gracie, along with their two sons, have been the subject of numerous media interviews and features including People magazine, the "Today" show, Headline News, TBN and the Associated Press


TOPICS: General Discusssion
KEYWORDS: amputation; atheism; atheists; christophobia; faith; healing; misotheism; rickwarren; samharris
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To: xzins

I think it’s instructive to understand the background for this question. A common theme with atheists is that, while healings do occur, it is never a healing that mends a broken bone or regrows a lost limb. The implication is that only healings that can be psychologically explained actually occur, whereas presumably God can perform any healing requested if it is His will. I do believe God could to any of these things if He so chose, but atheists point to this as “proof” He doesn’t actually exist. I think they are ignoring many miracles to focus on one that is rare indeed in order to question faith.


61 posted on 12/02/2007 3:10:34 AM PST by beachdweller
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To: xzins

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62 posted on 12/02/2007 3:35:36 AM PST by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: scory

“If they do not hear Moses and the prophets, neither will they be convinced if someone should rise from the dead.”


63 posted on 12/02/2007 6:15:31 AM PST by tiki (True Christians will not deliberately slander or misrepresent others or their beliefs)
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To: MHGinTN
I just did a little research.This was the first cure.”The diocesan investigation of the miraculous healing took place at the Salerno Curia from July 24, 1996 to June 27, 1997, and with its decree of September 26, 1997, accepted the validity of the cure. The acts were then published and the documentation was studied by two experts ex officio and then by a medical consultant. On April 30, 1998, these experts unanimously announced the “extraordinary and scientifically inexplicable” nature of Signora Consiglia’s cure.”
http://www.catholicculture.org/library/view.cfm?recnum=1018
64 posted on 12/02/2007 6:38:00 AM PST by fatima
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To: xzins
God Bless them.I will pray for them.An atheist helped make my faith stronger.We owned a little grocery store and I had just begun a prayer life.When it was slow I would read books about God and the Angels and the Saints.This man would walk in and make fun of me and say prove it.Made me do a lot of research.This went on for about a year but nothing would change his mind but I sure learned a lot.He left the state because his wife was pregnant and he wanted her to have an abortion and she said no so he moved away.A year later he came back.He told me he made a mistake and wanted a life with his wife and son who he fell in love with instantly.She took him back and I told him he was blessed and I asked him to say a prayer with me.He said yes so we held hands and Thanked God,he began to cry.:)It was nice.
65 posted on 12/02/2007 7:00:49 AM PST by fatima
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To: metmom
So you've had run-ins with our FReeper atheists too, eh?

The really important issue--the root of the whole matter--is that morality is in its very essence submission to the will of the Creator. No matter how good or altruistic atheists may be they do their good deeds because they want to and not out of obedience to G-d, which means it isn't morality at all.

Once "one can be moral without G-d" is translated as "one can submit to G-d without G-d" then it is shown for the nonsense it is.

66 posted on 12/02/2007 7:19:04 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Vayo'mer Par`oh 'el-`avadayv; "Hanimtza' khazeh, 'ish 'asher ruach 'Eloqim bo?")
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To: xzins
Some day we may well be able to regrow limbs. The relevance of this upon the existence of God I cannot possibly fathom; for HE created us with miraculous possibilities and a world subject to natural forces that we can understand and manipulate to heal the sick and give relief to the afflicted. But doing it through Science would do nothing to establish that prayer is not heard, or that God does not exist.
67 posted on 12/03/2007 4:34:33 PM PST by allmendream ("A Lyger is pretty much my favorite animal."NapoleonD (Hunter 08))
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To: xzins
her deeds would have been "more noble," since she wouldn't have been doing them with the thought of an afterlife as a reward

Two thoughts:

1. In general, Christians don't do "noble" acts for rewards in Heaven, but out of a grateful response for what God has done for us.

2. Perhaps atheists perform noble acts for rewards on earth.

69 posted on 12/05/2007 8:27:51 AM PST by Gamecock (There was only one victorious life.)
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