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Posted on 11/25/2007 4:20:14 AM PST by Gamecock
It was long ago, two thousand years, when sweet baby Jesus was born. Although every baby is cherished by his parents and grandparents and siblings and cousins, this little boy was precious to all the world. The story began in Nazareth…
The Old Testament patriarch Noah, who had died long ago and been resurrected as an angel named Gabriel,1 was sent from God to a city of Galilee, named Nazareth. There he appeared to one of the noblest and greatest of all the spirit offspring of God the Father,2 a young virgin girl whose name--Mary--had been foretold in 124 B.C.3 Mary was betrothed to a man named Joseph, of the house of David.
The angel Gabriel said to Mary, "Hail, you virgin, who are highly favored of the Lord, the Lord is with you: for you are chosen and blessed among women."4 But Mary was troubled and pondered about this salutation. Gabriel told her not to be afraid; she had found favor with God. He said, "Behold, you will conceive and bear a son,5 and shall call his name, in the 'pure language,' Son Ahman.6 He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Highest. And you, Mary, will be the mother of God."7
Mary said to the angel, "How can this be, since I am a virgin?"
Gabriel answered and said, "The Holy Ghost shall come upon you and sanctify you, and make you holy, and prepare you to endure the presence of 'the Highest.'8 Then shall your Heavenly Father, who was your literal father in the pre-existence, overshadow you. For you know that He is a Holy Man and Adam is His name. He is our Father and our God, and the only God with whom we have to do. A personage of flesh and bone, He shall beget this Son in the same manner as Cain and Abel and all the other sons and daughters of Adam and Eve were begotten.9 The Christ Child shall be the result of 'natural action'--flesh and blood, begotten of his Father as we were of our fathers.10 A miracle--though not in violation of natural law--the literal offspring of this 'celestial Sireship'11 shall be called the 'Only Begotten Son of God in the flesh.'"12
Mary was concerned because of her betrothal to Joseph. The angel explained, "You and the Father will associate together in the capacity of Husband and Wife; hence, you will be, for at least a time, the lawful wife of God the Father. After He is finished with you, the Father will give you to Joseph. God will be your first husband.13 Then shall it be said, 'The man Joseph, the husband of Mary, did not, that we know of, have more than one wife, but Mary the wife of Joseph had another husband.'"14
And Mary said, "Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it done to me according to your word." And the angel departed from her.
Before Mary and Joseph came together Mary was found to be with child by God the Father. Joseph, not wanting Mary to be disgraced, planned to 'divorce' her quietly. But an angel of the Lord appeared to Joseph in a vision15 and said, "Do not be afraid to take Mary as your wife, for that which has been conceived in her, while it was not done without the aid of Man, that Man was God!16 And she will bear a Son; and you shall call His name Jesus, for it is He who will, by his perfect example, show the people how to fulfill the plan of salvation."17 Now all this took place that what was spoken through the prophet Isaiah might be fulfilled, saying, "Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and shall bear a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel," which translated means, "A God with us."18 The angel said, "Mary will still be called a virgin both before and after she gives birth19 because the Father of her child is immortal."20 Therefore, Joseph did as the angel of the Lord commanded him.
It came about in those days that Caesar Augustus required a census be taken of all the earth and everyone was proceeding to each their own city to register. Joseph and Mary journeyed together to the land of Jerusalem,21 to the city of Bethlehem, in order to fulfill the requirement.
While they were at Jerusalem, on the 6th day of April,22 it was time for Mary's baby to be born. She gave birth to her firstborn son, who had been her elder brother in the pre-existence,23 and wrapped him in swaddling clothes, and laid him in a manger; because there was none to give room for them in the inns.24
Now, this was the second birth of Jesus, for He was already the firstborn spirit child of Heavenly Parents.25 He had attained unto the status of Godhood while yet in the premortal existence.26 Whereas, at the time of His mortal birth Jesus was no longer an infant spirit, it was necessary that His spirit be compressed, or diminished in size, so He could be enclosed in His infant body.27 As a result, Jesus forgot everything about His former life.28 Nevertheless, He was the Son of God and the sign which had been promised came to pass: the sun set in America on the night of Christ's birth, but there was no darkness; it was light as though it was mid-day even until the rising of the sun the next morning.29
But around Jerusalem/Bethlehem it was dark and there were some shepherds out in the fields keeping night watch over their flock. An angel of the Lord appeared to them causing them to be very frightened. The shepherds desired to determine what manner of being this was, therefore they requested he shake hands. For they knew they would feel the flesh and bone of a true angel's hand; if they could not feel it they would know he was the devil posing as an angel of light.30 Thereby detecting that this was a messenger from God, the shepherds allowed the angel to proceed.
And the angel said to them, "Do not be afraid; for behold, I bring you good news of great joy which shall be for all the people; for today in the city of David there has been born for you the God of this world.31 He will be called 'the Prince of Peace, who is also the Prince of Glory and the Prince of Eternal Progress.'32 He will atone for the sins of all mankind in the Garden of Gethsemane,33 and through His gift will come resurrection for the dead for all, and a greater and more enlarged opportunity for eternal life for those who will walk in obedience to His commandments.34 And no one will do a greater work than Jesus until the advent of the Prophet Joseph Smith.35 But take care that you not be led astray. For the time will come when much that is believed and taught about the cleansing power of Christ's blood will be such utter nonsense and so palpably false that to believe it will be to lose your salvation. In that day many will believe or pretend to believe that if we confess Christ with our lips and avow that we accept Him as our personal Savior, we will thereby be saved. They will say that His blood, without any other act than mere belief, makes us clean.36 Be not deceived. Each of you will have to work very hard to qualify for your eternal potential."37 Suddenly there appeared a heavenly host of persons who had been resurrected from the dead38 praising God, and saying, "Glory to God in the highest." And it came to pass when the angels had gone away that the shepherds hastily found their way to Mary and Joseph, and the Christ Child as He lay in the manger. When they had seen this, they made known everything which had been revealed to them about the babe. And all who heard it wondered at the things which were told them by the shepherds.
Dear reader, what child is this?
The LDS Christmas Story was gathered and compiled from the teachings of Mormon Church leaders. It speaks of a Father and Son who are not found in the Biblical narrative of Christ's birth. It brings the sad news that our salvation depends upon our own righteousness instead of the perfect righteousness of Jesus. The gift God gave that night, according to the LDS Christmas story, provided resurrection to judgement for all the world and an example to follow in order to make oneself worthy of the highest heaven.
Yet God tells a different story. He says it is impossible for us to be worthy of heaven on our own merit; all have sinned and our righteousness is as filthy rags before Him. But the blessed Gift God gave to us on that marvelous holy night was no less than His Promise fulfilled. Jesus Christ--God incarnate--had come, not to show us the way, but to be the Way. He came to a world dead in sin to give us life eternal. Let all who are alive in Christ echo Mary's song, "My spirit hath rejoiced in God my Savior."
Thanks be to God for His indescribable gift!
1. Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 157 2. Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, p. 471 3. Book of Mormon, Mosiah 3:8 4. Joseph Smith Translation (hereafter JST), Luke 1:28 5. JST, Luke 1:31-32 6. Orson Pratt, Journal of Discourses (hereafter JD), 2:342 7. Book of Mormon, 1 Ne. 11:18, 1830 edition, p. 25 8. O. Pratt, The Seer, Washington D.C. edition, p. 158 9. Brigham Young, JD, 1:50-51. Though Young taught the Adam/God doctrine, the LDS Church officially denies it. It is not currently part of LDS theology. 10. B. Young, JD, 8:115 11. James E. Talmage, Jesus the Christ, p. 81 12. Gordon B. Hinckley, The Ensign, 12/94, p. 4 13. O. Pratt, The Seer, p. 158 14. B. Young, JD, 11:268 15. JST Matthew 1:20 16. Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, 1:18 17. Uniform System for Teaching the Gospel, p. 1-6 18. LDS Bible Dictionary, p. 681, "God." 19. The Teachings of Ezra Taft Benson, p. 7 20. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, p. 822 21. Book of Mormon, Alma 7:10 22. Talmage, Jesus the Christ, p. 104; see JD 13:127 for Pratt's calculated date of April 11. 23. Victor L. Ludlow, Principles and Practices of the Restored Gospel, p. 43 24. JST Luke 2:7 25. O. Pratt, JD, 18:290 26. What the Mormons Think of Christ, Pamphlet published by the LDS Church, 1976, p. 25 27. O. Pratt, JD, 16:334 28. Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, 1:33 29. Book of Mormon, 3 Nephi 1:19 30. Doctrine & Covenants 129 31. Ezra Taft Benson, quoted by Gordon B. Hinckley, The Ensign, 5/92, p. 89 32. Howard W. Hunter, The Ensign, 2/95, p. 77 33. Gospel Principles, 1988, p. 58. Current LDS teaching suggests the atonement was accomplished in both the Garden and on Calvary. 34. Gordon B. Hinckley, Church News, 7/1/95, p. 4 35. Joseph Smith, History of the Church, 6:408-9 36. What the Mormons Think of Christ, pp. 19-20 37. James E. Faust, The Ensign, 11/95, p. 46 38. LDS Bible Dictionary, p. 608, "Angels."
That seems to be the case.
Notice how most LDS apologists have resorted to a wide variety of strawmen, ad homs and other diversionary tactics rather than actually addressing the material written by former Mormons.
If the use of the term offends another Freeper, even if it was not used with an improper motive - it is in good form to quit using it, especially on the Religion Forum.
Exactly. Thanks!
Sounds like a reasonable explanation for then-LDS Prophet Spencer W. Kimball's Sept 30, 1978 revelation to me.
Are you ascribing your own motives to the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints?
Okay, then it is merely a “sin of omission”.
Romney Apologizes For ‘Tar Baby’
should you?
Why? I didn’t use the term.
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Nice try, and it sounds good because you didnot give the rest of the story. Go back and tell us what Brother Joesph and Brother Brigham said about the day the blacks would hold the Priesthood. Remember, there is more then one example, so get many. Or even just a few.
“Romney Apologizes For ‘Tar Baby’”
I goofed again
should be
Sounds like a reasonable explanation for then-LDS Prophet Spencer W. Kimball’s Sept 30, 1978 revelation to me.
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I will repeat the yest here because I goofed
Nice try, and it sounds good because you didnot give the rest of the story. Go back and tell us what Brother Joesph and Brother Brigham said about the day the blacks would hold the Priesthood. Remember, there is more then one example, so get many. Or even just a few.
I’m amazed that the “father-daughter” aspect of this story has not been talked about more on this thread.
It seems like we’ve been taken down a detour by a ‘tar baby’ comment.
I hate to say this, but Romney’s candidacy is making me lose patience with the LDS organization.
Now that would be nigh impossible for me to do. You see, I've never been motivated to utter a prophetic revelation myself(real or imagined). How could I ascribe my own motives for giving a prophetic revelation if I've never been motivated for giving a prophetic revelation on that subject myself??
So your implication is that either he is a liar or?????
Come now, I have been chastized today by the RM so let’s just say it is your turn to be honest!
So your implication is that I have not been honest up until now?????
Now, even though I believe it may be true, I am certainly not going to say anything to get the RM back on me. Are you next going to say that Joseph Smith was a convicted criminal? If you say that and do not cite the date and court of the conviction, be prepared for a visit yourself from the RM.
Agreed.
The "better" LDS apologists will try to dodge this aspect by emphasizing that (a) they still believe in a "virgin" birth of some sort; and (b) saying something to the effect that it wasn't necessarily Heavenly Father-Mary sexual relations which produced Jesus as offspring.
I guess I'd like to know how both "The LDS Christmas Story" (citations & all) fits into the LDS apologists' view in light of the following LDS general authority citations:
Citation 1: "...As the horse, the ox, the sheep, and every living creature, including man, propogates its own species & perpetuates its own kind, so does God perpetuate His." LDS prophet John Taylor, Mediation & Atonement, 1882, p. 165
[Any of you farmers had any immaculate conceptions in light of Taylor's pronouncement?]
Citation 2: "The birth of the Savior was as natural as are the births of our children; it was the result of natural action. He partook of flesh and blood—-was begotten of his Father, as we were of our fathers." LDS prophet Brigham Young JoD, vol. 8, p. 115
[Notice that historic Christianity puts the emphasis on the birth of Christ being a supernatural event, whereas Brigham twice emphasizes it being only a natural event].
Now, it's important in all of this to remember the backdrop of how LDS see Heavenly Father:
(1) He's a physical ex-mortal man with a physical body, sexual organs & all.
(2) His spirit babies in the so-called "pre-existence" were born via sexual relations with an unnamed goddess or goddesses...in which even Eliza Snow wrote a hymn about that's in all the LDS hymnals. Note this Young quote which fleshes this out:
"God...created man [as spirit children], as we create our children: for there is no other process of creation in heaven, on the earth, in the earth, or under the earth, or in all eternities, that is, that were, or that ever will be." LDS prophet Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, vol. 11, p. 122
[I would say Brigham sounds a bit all-encompassing & comprehensive w/such a statement, wouldn't you all? So if Young thought that spirit babies were created in heaven by the same "natural" process of sexual relations, then there was nothing objectionable to him to having viewed Mary as yet another "wife" of Heavenly Father].
OMM: Now, even though I believe it may be true, I am certainly not going to say anything to get the RM back on me.
Cue ominous music....
Are you next going to say that Joseph Smith was a convicted criminal? If you say that and do not cite the date and court of the conviction, be prepared for a visit yourself from the RM.
Well, if you think I should - and I don't know why you'd think I was going to "say it next" or what it has to do with Brer Rabbit or the LDS Christmas story - but here goes:
"Joseph Smith was a convicted criminal."
I have multiple URLs supporting this historical and legal fact saved on my HD. Which one would you like to debate first?
Now OMM, I go into FR every day prepared for a visit from the RM. And if he and I were ever to meet up in the same city, I'd invite him to knock back a few beers with me as we discuss theology and politics (and yes RM, that's a standing offer from yours truly). I encourage and welcome any and all visits from the RM, official or unofficial. The question is, do you?
Ummmmm...the silence is telling.
So, if I complain that "something offends me", will I get to muzzle someone?
Oh?
Are YOU attributing my words to be such?
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