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Why the Pope is right to purge modern music
Telegraph ^ | November 20, 2007 | Damian Thompson

Posted on 11/20/2007 1:34:30 PM PST by NYer

For decades, the standard of singing in St Peter's basilica has struggled to match that of a Gilbert and Sullivan society.



TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Ministry/Outreach; Worship
KEYWORDS: gregorianchant
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To: NYer

Bump for later.


21 posted on 11/20/2007 8:09:52 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: NYer

Just sent this to a friend who hates folk music.


22 posted on 11/20/2007 8:13:10 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: steve8714

No more OCP!


23 posted on 11/20/2007 8:13:46 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: DarkSavant
"I HATE BONGOS!"

In Minnesota, hubby and I liked to go to a vigil Mass on Saturday evening, then we'd go to our own parish on Sunday. Each time we took in a vigil, we went to a different parish. Most of the churches in our area were old, beautiful, and carefully preserved or restored. One, in Jordan, was magnificent, as beautiful as a cathedral. We watched as the "music ministry" came in and set up.

It was ghastly. I SWEAR... there were six guitars, some acoustic, some electric, but there were six of them. They were accompanied by a set of electronic bongos. (walks away, shaking head...)

24 posted on 11/20/2007 8:44:06 PM PST by redhead (VICTORY FIRST, THEN PEACE)
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To: Mad Dawg
"Though the eye of sinful man thy glory may not see."

No. 266. Reginald Heber, 1827. Nicaea. John B. Dykes, 1861.

(Some of us keep a choir copy of the 1940 Hymnal by the computer. Some of us have 4-5 copies of the darned thing, including 2 organist copies . . . )

I will say that, other than the execrable monkeying with the words, the 1982 has some VERY good music in it.

25 posted on 11/20/2007 9:46:12 PM PST by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: Mad Dawg; NYer
Music and beer analogy:

When music praises God, there’s no bad music.

It reminds me of a saying I learned when I was in college, poor, and thirty. “There’s no such thing as a bad beer—it’s just that some beers are better than others.” Thank God that I live at an age and wage level that I can afford better beers and really poo poo the lesser ones.

Papa B16 is telling us not to be stingy on our rich talent for praising God.

26 posted on 11/20/2007 9:55:26 PM PST by SaltyJoe (Lenin legalized abortion. Afterward, every life was fair game for Death.)
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To: Lazarus Longer
I think one can say that bad music is often the sign of other bad things.
27 posted on 11/20/2007 10:13:44 PM PST by neb52
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To: Mad Dawg

I have read from post of traditionalist that attend NO parishes that use classical guitar and is well down. Usually playing John Michael Talbot. I think it is as you stated that it the intent not so much the instrument.


28 posted on 11/20/2007 10:20:35 PM PST by neb52
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To: Salvation

When I was in college, Pat Boone was popular. Elvis did not hit it big until about 1958. Folk music came in the ‘60s while I wa sin graduated school. GOOD folk music is like. What I dislike is bad folk music and unfortunately the Church bought into a kind of folk music that is a parody of the real stuff. But I must say that most of the music I heard played in Catholic churches before Vatican II was pretty bad stuff. You have to have talent to tackle a Haydn mass, for instance. Few choirs were up to it.


29 posted on 11/20/2007 10:57:48 PM PST by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: NYer

Wow, something I agree with the Pope on. My wife and I detest this new music. It’s almost enough to make me want to become Catholic. Do you think the Pope would allow Luther’s “A Mighty Fortress Is Our God”? Oh well, just a thought.


30 posted on 11/21/2007 12:00:52 AM PST by HarleyD (97% of all statistics are made up.)
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To: NYer

I wish the Pope Godspeed, but in the American Church, there is going to be a resistance to any change in the music. Just a thought.


31 posted on 11/21/2007 4:11:20 AM PST by Biggirl (A biggirl with a big heart for God's animal creation, with 4 cats in my life as proof. =^..^=)
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To: Biggirl
Ahem.

Chant, Sacred Classics Reverberate Again in Parishes

That's us! Dr. Ahlstrom is our Fearless Leader.

We are having a Concert of Really Good Church Music sponsored by the parish Ladies Guild the week after T'giving. Starting with chant and working our way up through the Renaissance and Victorian music to the present day, including classical music by modern composers (e.g. Tavener's "The Lamb").

There is hope. Really, there is.

32 posted on 11/21/2007 5:26:42 AM PST by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: HarleyD

It’s actually not that uncommon to find hymns penned by Luther at Mass. I’ve heard a few in my day.


33 posted on 11/21/2007 5:45:31 AM PST by Claud
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To: HarleyD

(Pssst! We’ve sung “A Mighty Fortress” in our church. Just sayin’)


34 posted on 11/21/2007 7:59:18 AM PST by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: NYer

Thank God! “Feeble” is the right word. After a hard week, I need inspiration, not fecklessness.


35 posted on 11/21/2007 8:42:36 AM PST by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: HarleyD

***Do you think the Pope would allow Luther’s “A Mighty Fortress Is Our God”? Oh well, just a thought.***

Several years ago there was a program from the Vatican. I don’t remember if it was Christmas or Easter. The music during the procession was...”A Mighty Fortress Is Our God”. I couldn’t believe my ears.


36 posted on 11/21/2007 10:34:28 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: Claud; Mad Dawg; Ruy Dias de Bivar
It’s actually not that uncommon to find hymns penned by Luther at Mass. I’ve heard a few in my day.

Ah, there's hope. ;O)

37 posted on 11/21/2007 2:00:53 PM PST by HarleyD (97% of all statistics are made up.)
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To: HarleyD

“A Mighty Fortress” has been sung at Catholic masses.


38 posted on 11/21/2007 2:10:32 PM PST by Gumdrop
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To: HarleyD
Do you think the Pope would allow Luther’s “A Mighty Fortress Is Our God”?

Been there, done that. Since the late 1960's.

Y'all gotta get with the program.

But the best Protestant hymnody still has names like "Wesley" and "Vaughn Williams" attached to it.

39 posted on 11/21/2007 2:38:24 PM PST by Campion
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To: Argus

how about “amazing grace” and “almighty fortress is our God.”


40 posted on 07/19/2011 9:28:46 PM PDT by Coleus (Adult Stem Cells Work, there is NO Need to Harvest Babies for Their Body Parts!)
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