Posted on 11/14/2007 8:28:07 AM PST by fortcollins
As long as one trys to look at scripture from an academic point of view they will never receive a witness from the Holy Ghost about the Book of Mormon being another testament of Jesus Christ.
“Thus, grace without effort is insufficient as well. Lastly, why would God grant His grace to one who does not try to do his best as evidenced by his works, even if that person claimed they were born again?”
Because the Bible says in more than one place He will if you simply ask for it.
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The Bible also says more than once that we are not saved in our sins if we fail to repent and to always be vigilant, lest we yield to temptation. Even Paul was constantly on guard against temptation and sin.
[Matthew 17:9] And as they came down from the mountain, Jesus charged them, saying, Tell the vision to no man, until the Son of man be risen again from the dead.
Vision: 3705. horama (hor'-am-ah)something gazed at, i.e. a spectacle (especially supernatural.
A vision is something not real....something viewed supernaturally as John viewed in [Revelation 1:10]....being brought forward in time to see certain events as they will unfold!
Moses is in his grave awaiting the resurrection.
The BoM is a book by a man and his attempt at making himself a deity.
I can say that this thread has run its course. I am sure another will start up in a week or so. I will pray for your “awakening” and call it a weekend.
Moses was resurrected when Jesus Christ was resurrected!
I pray that you awaken!:)
"I do understand however that you believe that being born again changes one’s heart and that God fills you so that now that you are saved, you no longer are disposed towards sin." Would you like for me to explain AGAIN why that assertion is completely in error, or do you wish to continue in such error?
You are in error ... do a word search on resurrection of the body.
When Jesus was resurrected he had a physical body you could touch and then he ascended to heaven.
Moses died and returned in spirit form, he was not resurrected.
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Are you certain? I did not read that it was Moses’ spirit that returned, but that it was Moses.
No rebuttal on Elijah being taken into Heaven?
I’ve still not seen any scripture denying that John was granted his desire to remain on earth until Christ’s second coming.
Again, this gets back to there were Heavenly messengers who visited Joseph Smith and bestowed God’s authority, or the priesthood, to restore the Church of Christ after the apostasy. I’ve not heard how the protestant movement was granted authority by God to separate itself from the Catholic Church. Whether the LDS claim is correct or not, at least there is a claim that authority was granted from God.
All the righteous souls were resurrected when Jesus was resurrect!
Matt 27
50 ¶ Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.
51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;
52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.
54 Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God.
The Book of Mormon spoke of Joseph Smith being instrumental in the restoration of God’s Church in the latter day. If Joseph Smith was a prophet of God, then his translation and corrections to the Bible are within his calling as such.
Again, it comes down to did Joseph Smith see God and Jesus in the First Vision and is the Book of Mormon a second witness of Christ. If these are not true, then the LDS claim to divine authority fails. The only way to know for oneself is to study the Book of Mormon and ask in sincere prayer and faith if it is not true. The answer will come.
See post 720
“I’ve still not seen any scripture denying that John was granted his desire to remain on earth until Christ’s second coming.” You ought read more carefully for Jesus granted him ‘to see’, not that he would be there without death in between the then and where/when. Do know what it says about your spiritual condition when you cannot rightly divide the Word?
Ask yourselves where you’re coming from!
None of the above.
The KJV Bible gave a CLEAR warning about 'churches' like the one you have so much faith in.
THAT is where I am 'coming from'.
Correct, not their bodies, their spirits, there souls.
I hope you enjoy your “strong drink.”
“we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God”
Other Christian faiths have books, like the Methodist Book of Discipline but none claim to be a book of God and supercede or have equal footing with the Bible.
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That is a fair question. The Book of Mormon was promised by God in the Old Testament. The Stick of Judah is the Bible, the Stick of Joseph is the Book of Mormon. Do any other Christians claim to have the Stick of Joseph? Nephi was a descendant of Joseph.
Here’s the biblical passage, I am sure you’ve seen it before:
Ezekiel:
16 Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and for all the house of Israel his companions:
17 And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand.
18 ¶ And when the children of thy people shall speak unto thee, saying, Wilt thou not shew us awhat thou meanest by these?
19 Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand.
Oaky, Resty, where in the verses you quoted does it say that these ‘out of the grave’ bodies went with Jesus’s resurrected body into Heaven?
AMEN!!!
(Even though YOU got the Number this time!)
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