Posted on 11/14/2007 8:28:07 AM PST by fortcollins
No offense taken. You certainly don't offend me...I have nothing but hope for you...to someday see the light.
Complete ignorance!?!!? Whoa..!! Ha!!
When challenged on what they really believe, Mormons are admonished by their leaders to
Change the subject!
Elsie, I'm glad you highlighted this. P-Marlowe THIS comment has to be--in a clear nutshell--the most basic but sharpest discernment I've seen on these threads.
You've put in one paragraph what I need many to say, and you say it better.
You know what? If you go on the official Mormon Web sites, this is exactly what is done from the top down.
(1)I've seen LDS leaders say that for Mormons, apostles and prophets are interchangeable.
(2) I've seen LDS HQ publish the statements of these apostles and prophets.
(3) I've seen the LDS HQ then publish these things as teachings in church curricula.
But then, when the world or the Christian world begins to question these same apostolic or prophetic statements, LDS leaders fall back. Example: LDS prophet Hinckley responded to a Time Magazine's question about God being once a man, referencing Lorenzo Snow's "couplet," His response? Something to the effect of "Oh, that's just a couplet." In other words he downplayed it.
Why? "God was once a man" is NOT in the LDS articles of faith. Any verse that says "God was once a man" hasn't been canonized in the LDS church.
You see, Mormons are caught between a rock & a hard place.
On the one hand: Just look at this teaching:
(1) Has it been taught firsthand by LDS teachers galore? (Yes).
(2) Has it been published in official teaching publications of the LDS HQ in SLC? (Yes)
(3) Does just about every Mormon believe it? (Yes) [So, I guess LDS really do despite what their apologists tell you, accept "folk-level" statements of faith & doctrine about God]
This explains why whenever LDS teachers at the local level thru the decades have taught somebody else that "God was once a man," we don't hear Mormons retort, "Oh, that's just speculation." 'Oh, that's not a canonized teaching." "Oh, you can't say that. If you want to know what the church believes, you need to go to LDS.org." "You know, I can understand why you might say that, but that's not official doctrine."
You see, when it comes to unofficial teachings that LDS are able to stomach, or if they don't do too much PR damage to the church...those teachings are OK to acknowledge minus the bevy of arm's length disclaimers.
But then this leads to gaping inconsistencies (the hard place). To hear the way LDS leaders & grassroots folks "write off" countless sermons & writings & teachings paid for by LDS, Inc. as "mere speculation" makes folks wonder why?
If they are LDS prophets and apostles who are...
(a) speaking on the record...
(b) speaking for God--LDS always cite Amos 3:7 as God's ongoing voice...
(c) covering spiritual matters...
...THEN please explain WHY some sermons & sessions & classes are trustworthy sources as spiritual teachings from God, while the rest need a battery of legal "speculation" disclaimers...kind of like the fastly-read-can't-understand legal disclaimers given at the end of auto & other commercials?
P-Marlowe, I think you and I would like to begin to see some consistent disclaimers from the LDS. LDS have annual general conferences. Next time LDS members in attendance hear something there they are not quite sure is right, they are to turn to the Mormon next to them & say, "Remember, what he(she) just said is NOT an article of faith nor has it been canonized by the church...it's just mere speculation. When I see it in my D&C, I'll believe it whole-heartedly. Until then, it goes into my quarter-hearted or half-hearted bin lest some anti-Mormon quote it to me and I can't defend it."
LOL
Hmm...wasn't there a Brodie book, "NO MAN Knows my History?"
[THEN please explain WHY some sermons & sessions & classes are trustworthy sources as spiritual teachings from God, while the rest need a battery of legal “speculation” disclaimers...kind of like the fastly-read-can’t-understand legal disclaimers given at the end of auto & other commercials?]
Hey! I’ve just been working on that same kind of disclaimer for my business. We disclaim the sun will rise in the morning, unless it does, in which case we disclaim any adverse consequences of it rising, unless there was SUPPOSED to be adverse consequences.
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Oh My, that is about the scariest propagandist speech I’ve ever seen. That deserves a thread of its own. When people ask why I won’t vote for Romney, that is the best answer I could ever give.
It certainly explains a lot of what we see here. When a Mormon tells you what he believes, the fact is that you don't know what to believe. They are apparently taught to dissemble when asked specific questions about the peculiar doctrines of Mormonism. That is deception. That, in my book, is a sin.
But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear: (1 Peter 3:15 KJV)
In the LDS Church they are admonished to give an answer, but not to the question asked. They are admonished to give an answer to the question that they think the person should have asked. Unbelievable.
They are taught to dissemble, which is deceitful. We’ve seen numerous examples of it here at FR. Now, we will be told what bigots we are for pointing this out in the open.
I think they've abandoned this thread.
“I think they’ve abandoned this thread.”
Any time there is too much truth about mormonism on
a thread, they go “dark” so that it dies. Old strategy.
I’ve noticed that.
It's a weekend!
Give us a break!!!
--MormonDude(I just might have a REAL life; too!)
Unbelieveable you say? But WHY?
It's because we DO know more about Christ than you and we DO know about religion than you and we DO know stuff about theology than you and we DO kn......zc
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QUICK!!!
Someone call 911!!
MormonDude has fainted or something on his keyboard, and there is a faint odor of burning sulfur around!!
So the Lord distinctly told you that the Book of Mormon is not true in those words?
One would believe that a question like this is not straightforward, but a means to make available the opportunity for a reply to the effect that I do not have the requisite qualifications to converse with the Lord because of my status as an unworthy apostate.
Did YOU have a revelation that I did NOT hear those words from the Lord, Resty?
The usual back-door censorship hasn't worked this time.
I have noticed that the new "shock troops" that were called in on some of these threads recently to "overwhelm" with superior knowledge have also left the field.
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