Posted on 11/13/2007 5:34:21 PM PST by Semper
One of the most dangerous political considerations today is that of abortion; it is a most divisive subject. Many in this arena are motivated by religious beliefs. Just in case anyone has forgotten, we are not a theocracy – our founding fathers wanted religion left to the churches and the government left to the most qualified.
Those who fanatically oppose the medical procedure of abortion refer to themselves as “pro-life”, implying that those who do not agree with them do not value life as much as they do (a most arrogant state of mind) .
To believe so strongly in your understanding of life that you assume the right to take away the freedom of a woman to determine what will define her life is dangerous. You certainly have the right to try to influence that woman to do what you think is best, but it is her right and responsibility to make the final decision.
One of the things that hurts the anti abortion movement is the terms which are coined. A fetus is not a baby (just as a child is not an adult and an adult is not a senior citizen). Human life goes through stages of development. And, until someone is born into this human environment, until they breathe on their own, until they feed on their own, until they exist outside of a woman’s womb, they are not anyone’s responsibility other than the woman who sustains them.
That is unless you want to overrule the intention of our founders and apply your religious understanding of how life should be interpreted and take away the freedom for which countless “already born” have died.
Do you presume to insist that human activity (birth, growth, deterioration, death) is more powerful than God’s creation - which is described as spiritual? Can the human decisions to kill a living person (as in war) or to abort a POTENTIAL, undeveloped person actually overrule God’s creations?
I believe that there is nothing humans can do to overturn God’s laws and his infinite creation of good. What is required is for us to FREELY choose to live in accordance with HIS plan. And politically, we need to support those who realistically have a chance to foster that outcome.
FREEDOM
But that won’t happen. It just won’t. The people proposing to do it in a fell swoop won’t get elected to enact such laws.
Bush is unabashedly pro-life and has been his whole Presidency...but he never promised to outlaw abortion, he knows that it just can’t be done.
Had he specifically said that was his goal, he probably would have lost 1% - 5% of his support, and the election.
Just over 50% of the population is prolife by self-description. Ask if they think abortion should be 100% illegal and criminalized TODAY and you get a much lower number.
Post-birth abortion is not a ridiculous term. It happens in the state of Illinois and is protected by law. When the Illinois legislature considered a statute forcing the care of the born-alive baby following an unsuccessful abortion attempt, none other than ‘rat candidate Barack Hussein Obama voted against it. To this day standard procedure in Illinois is to place the live baby on a shelf and wait for it to die.
Being prolife is simply a gateway.
Anyone who thinks it’s okay to kill babies would not lose sleep over lying, cheating, poisoning his opponents, ....
In other words, it is not the only issue.
It is the first, primary, gateway issue.
It separates the men from the snakes.
It is "all that matters" to the person who is being done to death. No other right could possibly have any usefulness to a person who is dead.
Just who or what are we "dangerous" to? We're trying to restore protection for the lives of all innocents.
Unlike the pro-aborts, and their enablers. Some of whom, unfortunately, hang out here.
I’m not saying ignore pro-life.
Just make sure your guy has the right positions on other issues too.
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Let’s see...enroaching socialism, nanny state policies, open borders...
Look at my last post. I didn’t say “ignore abortion.” I said “look at OTHER issues as well.” Don’t be so focused on abortion as the ONLY issue that you fail to realize the guy is a socialist and otherwise a disaster.
Quite an achievement aligning with Obama and to the left of NARAL!
No argument I, or anyone else, can make is likely to change your thinking, actually. Because, your controversy, truth be told, is with the One Who created you.
And created every single baby, born and unborn...
Your position, while being anti-God, as it must be since it advocates for the destruction of those who are made in His image, is also un-American.
The founding paragraph, and principle, of our free republic:
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men..."
You see, until you grasp those simple words explictly, you have no understanding of God, of the United States of America, or even the most basic facts about why government even exists at all.
That's not a very good intellectual or moral position to be in on America's premiere conservative website, one that self-identifies as being devoted to the core principles I've just laid out for you.
Perhaps the poster doesn’t realize who it is that makes the body of organs the newly conceived human has. Much error stems from a lack of knowledge regarding the biological fundamentals. A fetus, for instance, is in fact a ‘little child’, the placental encapsulation is the first organ for survival, build completely by the newly conceived human ands the construction process satrts within hours of conception whether in a petri dish or a woman’s body.
My experience is that those who would compromise away the lives of the innocent will, under any pressure at all, compromise anything and everything else.
I don't like Semper's extreme views on abortion, but he is a veteran who fought for his country and deserves our respect. He's hardly un-American.
So who are you supporting? Huckabee or Hunter?
Or Alan Keyes...a great man, a horrible candidate.
“So, our existence does not depend upon being “born” into this human environment.” I would be interested to read the source for this profound declaration, implying that you know when the spirit is created and when it is added to the body and soul of the newly conceived.
I do support Alan Keyes, yes. And he is a great man.
I can’t help it if you think America can survive more unprincipled mediocrities. I don’t.
I am not the one carrying a potential human.
Keyes just doesn’t know how to endear the public to him and WIN. You can have all the principles you want, if you can’t win...or even break single digits, you won’t accomplish much.
I like Dr. Keyes. He lives in my (adopted) state. But he’s a BAD candidate.
I will add that a lot of it is how you sell the package. An unabashedly pro-life candidate can sell himself right to appeal to the masses. Reagan did it. Bush did it, barely. Thompson (who I know you disagree with me on) can do it as well.
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