Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Joel Osteen Heresy Gauge
What?..Um - theological satire ^ | August 6th, 2007 | seth

Posted on 10/31/2007 11:48:35 AM PDT by Alex Murphy

How to determine when Joel Osteen is speaking heresy:



TOPICS: Apologetics; Charismatic Christian; Evangelical Christian; Humor
KEYWORDS: fleecingtheflock; flimflamman; heresy; hislipsaremoving; joelosteen; osteen; televangelists; thinksldsrchristian
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-6061-80 ... 181-194 next last
To: Alex Murphy

Osteen seems like a decent person, but I find your post totally funny.


41 posted on 01/04/2008 12:22:07 PM PST by KC_Conspirator
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Terriergal; Quix
LOL! Priceless. Someone better ping the Q-man! I’m not gonna...

The Q-man?

Do you mean Quix?

42 posted on 01/04/2008 1:09:31 PM PST by pby
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 31 | View Replies]

To: Terriergal

This cat looks like a real charlatan to me.


43 posted on 01/04/2008 1:25:20 PM PST by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 35 | View Replies]

To: Saundra Duffy

Wow.

I guess you’ve never been fooled in all of your life?


44 posted on 01/04/2008 1:31:55 PM PST by fishtank (Fenced BORDERS, English LANGUAGE, Patriotic CULTURE: A good plan.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: Saundra Duffy

Me, too. He’s an encourager and God knows we can use some of that these days.


45 posted on 01/04/2008 4:12:22 PM PST by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: pby
The Q-man?

Do you mean Quix?

Who else?

46 posted on 01/04/2008 5:31:44 PM PST by Lee N. Field ("Massive Saucer Fleets -- threat or menace?")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 42 | View Replies]

To: pillut48
From pillut48: Found this article online.

Jim 0216 response: Hmmm, lets take a look.

http://apprising.org/2008/03/arminians-come-out-of-the-seeker-sensitive-movement/ From ARMINIANS COME OUT OF THE SEEKER SENSITIVE MOVEMENT:

Each of these teachers of a false Christianity encourage people, in similar words, to make some kind of a decision to follow the way of God in Jesus.

This is false teaching?

And a good question is: When is the last time you heard this preached by leaders within postevangelcalism and the emerging church?

Every time Osteen preaches he invites people to receive the Lord Jesus into their heart. Joel Osteen's calling is Pastor, primarily helping Christians to grow (v. Whitefield, an Evangelist focussed on the unsaved).

From JOEL OSTEEN CROSSLESS “CHRISTIANITY”:

UNABLE TO FIND ANYTHING RELATED TO THIS CHARGE

So far this site comes up with empty and false charges. Looks like the Pharisees are alive and well on planet earth.

From JOHN OSTEEN AND JOEL OSTEEN:

Osteen is on record as fully endorsing the WOF errant concepts surrounding financial prosperity: It’s God’s will for you to live in prosperity instead of poverty. It’s God’s will for you to pay your bills and not be in debt. It’s God’s will for you to live in health and not in sickness all the days of your life. In the above sermon we can see the Health & Wealth “gospel” summed up three sentences. So despite the good things that John Osteen did as a Pastor he got ensnared by the subtlety of false teaching and ended up misleading millions before his death.

Have you never read, Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth.(3 John 2) As usual, the Pharisees lack knowledge and understanding of God's Word.

So far, the charges leveled at Joel Osteen's message come up empty.

From pillut48: Personally, he gives me the creeps somehow, he's too slick or something, like Mitt Romney...

Jim 0216 response: I don't like him either, but I love his message. So far, I've found his words to be scripturally sound, vibrant, and life-changing, something the Body of Christ needs and the Pharisees and the Devil hates.

47 posted on 08/10/2008 1:56:55 PM PDT by Jim W N
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: Alex Murphy; ItsOurTimeNow; the invisib1e hand; Blogger; raygunfan; Saundra Duffy; PAR35; ...
From pillut48: Found this article online. http://apprising.org/2008/03/arminians-come-out-of-the-seeker-sensitive-movement/

Jim 0216 response: Hmmm, lets take a look.

http://apprising.org/2008/03/arminians-come-out-of-the-seeker-sensitive-movement/

From ARMINIANS COME OUT OF THE SEEKER SENSITIVE MOVEMENT:

Each of these teachers of a false Christianity encourage people, in similar words, to make some kind of a decision to follow the way of God in Jesus.

This is false teaching?

And a good question is: When is the last time you heard this preached by leaders within postevangelcalism and the emerging church?

Every time Osteen preaches he invites people to receive the Lord Jesus into their heart. Joel Osteen's calling is Pastor, primarily helping Christians to grow (v. Whitefield, an Evangelist focussed on the unsaved).

From JOEL OSTEEN CROSSLESS “CHRISTIANITY”:

UNABLE TO FIND ANYTHING RELATED TO THIS CHARGE

So far this site comes up with empty and false charges. Looks like the Pharisees are alive and well on planet earth.

From JOHN OSTEEN AND JOEL OSTEEN:

Osteen is on record as fully endorsing the WOF errant concepts surrounding financial prosperity: It’s God’s will for you to live in prosperity instead of poverty. It’s God’s will for you to pay your bills and not be in debt. It’s God’s will for you to live in health and not in sickness all the days of your life. In the above sermon we can see the Health & Wealth “gospel” summed up three sentences. So despite the good things that John Osteen did as a Pastor he got ensnared by the subtlety of false teaching and ended up misleading millions before his death.

Have you never read, Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth.(3 John 2)? As usual, the Pharisees lack knowledge and understanding of God's Word.

So far, the charges leveled at Joel Osteen's message come up empty.

From pillut48: Personally, he gives me the creeps somehow, he's too slick or something, like Mitt Romney...

Jim 0216 response: I don't like him either, but I love his message. So far, I've found his words to be scripturally sound, vibrant, and life-changing, something the Body of Christ needs and the Pharisees and the Devil hates.

48 posted on 08/10/2008 2:26:52 PM PDT by Jim W N
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Jim 0216

Take me off this ping list.


49 posted on 08/10/2008 2:34:17 PM PDT by KC_Conspirator
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 48 | View Replies]

To: Jim 0216

My bad, this is not a ping list.


50 posted on 08/10/2008 2:35:44 PM PDT by KC_Conspirator
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 48 | View Replies]

To: KC_Conspirator
...this is not a ping list.

I came across this old thread and thought you'd be interested in my response. Hope you didn't mind.

I'm finding there's a lot of modern-day Pharisees out there, those of whom Jesus said,

"...they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers...But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for you shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for you neither go in yourselves, neither suffer those that are entering to go in...Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for you compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, you make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.(Matthew 23:4,13,15)

Beginning to feel angry about those that hate the Gospel of God's grace and try to prevent others from receiving it.

51 posted on 08/10/2008 3:00:43 PM PDT by Jim W N
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 50 | View Replies]

To: Jim 0216

3 John 2 - is equivalent to saying”I hope you’re well” means God’s will is for you to be healthy, but apparently because people are ill there is some reason this cannot happen. Paul had his thorn in the side, 11 of the disciples died a violent death, Job was tested with illness - all against God’s will?

Job said though He slay me yet will I trust Him. Shadrach, Meshack and Abenego said our God is able but even if He does not, we will not fall down and worship the idol. Joseph said you meant this for evil but God used it for good.

Which is the proper interpretation here? God’s will is thwarted or that he sometimes uses illness in our lives to produce character and hope.


52 posted on 08/10/2008 3:33:15 PM PDT by GOPPachyderm
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 48 | View Replies]

To: Jim 0216

>So far, the charges leveled at Joel Osteen’s message come up empty.

uh... you mean the message comes up empty? because that’s what it is.

Define for me the gospel.

Then go find it in his message. Nuff said.


53 posted on 08/10/2008 3:36:05 PM PDT by Terriergal ("I am ashamed that women are so simple To offer war where they should kneel for peace," Shakespeare)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 48 | View Replies]

To: Alex Murphy

hey how come the picture doesn’t show up for me? Think I can guess though — he has his mouth open, right?


54 posted on 08/10/2008 3:38:24 PM PDT by Terriergal ("I am ashamed that women are so simple To offer war where they should kneel for peace," Shakespeare)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: raygunfan
i like his speaking style, he is very smooth in front of an audience. but for the truth of Christ, i would rather listen to the power voice and true christian teachings from Bishop Fulton J. Sheen.

Charlatan and scam artist he may be.. Osteen can at least use capitalization.

That alone adds major points to his Mojo.

55 posted on 08/10/2008 3:41:15 PM PDT by humblegunner (I'm voting for McCain because he's white.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: Jim 0216
Looks like the Pharisees are alive and well on planet earth.

Irving's Law has been invoked. Since the thread was already eight months old, and abandoned until you dropped in and pinged the world to your comments, no points are awarded to any party.

56 posted on 08/10/2008 3:44:59 PM PDT by Alex Murphy
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 47 | View Replies]

To: GOPPachyderm; Alex Murphy
The heresy at the heart of the modern 'prosperity gospel' is found in what it tempts folks to do, and how it implies God is duty bound. If the prosperity gospel were actually Godly, it would make God into a reactor, bound to respond when evil causes need. Such a God woul dbe what Satan has been trying since Adam to convince humans of, a less than omnipotent being who would deceive folks by leaving out important aspects of relationship with God and His creation.

Osteen is a charlatan and may not even realize it because he is so successful at being a conman. He may actually believe he's 'doing it for God'. In the end, he's doing it for Joel Osteen just the way another purpose peddling preacher does it.

57 posted on 08/10/2008 3:57:44 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 52 | View Replies]

To: Jim 0216

Osteen’s “gospel” message is one of prosperity. I rarely hear him teaching of salvation, but about “feel good” dymanics. All of these prosperity “Word Faith” televangelists are hypocrites.


58 posted on 08/10/2008 3:59:09 PM PDT by TommyDale (I) (Never forget the Republicans who voted for illegal immigrant amnesty in 2007!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 51 | View Replies]

To: GOPPachyderm
3 John 2 - is equivalent to saying”I hope you’re well” means God’s will is for you to be healthy

Actually a careful reading of this verse includes spiritual health, physical health and financial health. It's an expression of God's heart's desire for us.

apparently because people are ill there is some reason this cannot happen. Paul had his thorn in the side, 11 of the disciples died a violent death, Job was tested with illness - all against God’s will? Job said though He slay me yet will I trust Him. Shadrach, Meshack and Abenego said our God is able but even if He does not, we will not fall down and worship the idol. Joseph said you meant this for evil but God used it for good.

God wants us to be happy and healthy but he also allows adversity in our lives for our good. The Bible's (& Joel's) message is that we can maintain a happy, vibrant positive attitude in the midst of pain and suffering because of our faith in a God who loves us and has made us heirs of heaven (Matthew 5:3) and earth (Matthew 5:5). Job is a revelation that God is in control of everything that happens to his people and his purpose is for our blessing & "joy unspeakable and full of glory" (I Peter 1:8). (The end of the book of Job reveals God delivering Job from "sea monsters" in his life that Job himself was unable to deal with (and probably didn't even know existed)).

Which is the proper interpretation here? God’s will is thwarted or that he sometimes uses illness in our lives to produce character and hope.

The thing God wants his people to know is that he is a good God and loves his people with a love that "passes knowledge". I don't believe we can move forward until we're convinced of this. The next thing we need to know is that God is in control of our circumstances. When we put these two things together, we can take all pleasure and pain from the hand of the One who has given us "exceeding great and precious promises" (2 Peter 1:4). That same verse gives a clue as to why we have to suffer: "that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust." God is breaking strongholds of the flesh in our lives so we can be free to live in the release of the spirit. He's willing to suffer with us through our pain because he wants the greater good and blessing for us.

59 posted on 08/10/2008 4:59:29 PM PDT by Jim W N
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 52 | View Replies]

To: Jim 0216

To my surprise, I find I agree with a lot of what you wrote. I don’t think it reflects the position of health, wealth and prosperity teachers.

Sea monsters though huh? I remember the discussion about the leviathon but not much about God saving him from them.


60 posted on 08/10/2008 5:03:57 PM PDT by GOPPachyderm
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 59 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-6061-80 ... 181-194 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson