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1 posted on 10/12/2007 10:46:39 AM PDT by NYer
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2 posted on 10/12/2007 10:47:09 AM PDT by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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At first I thought Kerry was wanting communion again.


3 posted on 10/12/2007 10:50:15 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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The Archbisop’s apology is accepted.


4 posted on 10/12/2007 10:50:21 AM PDT by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3rd Bn. 5th Marines, RVN 1969. St. Michael the Archangel defend us in battle!)
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This is good to see. He made a mistake, and instead of denying it or trying to downplay it, he apologized.


5 posted on 10/12/2007 10:53:22 AM PDT by B Knotts (Tancredo '08!)
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Afterward it was made clear to me that these two people were members of the organization "Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence," who have long made a practice of mocking the Catholic Church in general and religious women in particular.

I wonder when the "Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence" will take their act to the local Islamic Mosque, especially since fundamentalist Islam calls for the death penalty for homosexuality while the Catholics just call it sinful. If these guys had any b***s, they would mock the Muslims as much or more so than the Catholics. < / s >

6 posted on 10/12/2007 10:54:15 AM PDT by Ditto (Global Warming: The 21st Century's Snake Oil)
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Therefore I conclude that the presence of the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence at the Mass on October 7th was intended as a provocative gesture. In that moment I failed to recognize it as such, and for that, as I have said, I must apologize.

I accept his apology.

Now where is the apology from the clowns?

7 posted on 10/12/2007 11:00:00 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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Bump. God bless him.


8 posted on 10/12/2007 11:03:23 AM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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Apology accepted. Let us then continue with the Lord’s work.


10 posted on 10/12/2007 11:29:31 AM PDT by TeĆ³filo (Visit Vivificat! - http://www.vivificat.org - A Catholic Blog of News, Commentary and Opinion)
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Give the man credit for this.


11 posted on 10/12/2007 12:26:51 PM PDT by PAR35
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Apology accepted, with the hope that he will try to edjumacate himself about such things with a little more vigor. He must be in something of an "ivory tower" situation at present.

I hope he also orders his clergy to avoid the same mistake he made in giving these individuals the Eucharist, and sets about doing everything he can to retroactively catechize the entire archdiocese with regard to authentic Catholic teaching on homosexuality and its practice.

12 posted on 10/12/2007 12:27:02 PM PDT by magisterium
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I admire him for apologizing. I am still disappointed but will give the man the benefit of the doubt. I’ve never done his job so am unaware of any blinders that may be put on before communion. I hope that his eyes will open and he’ll be a little more aware in case something like this should occur again. He could just give them a blessing and refuse communion without making a scene. Of course, with folks dressed like that it’s already a parade. *sigh*


15 posted on 10/12/2007 1:44:22 PM PDT by samiam1972 (I'm a mommy again!)
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You know, I really can't blame the Archbishop.

In an ideal world, the celebrant would be alert and aware at all times of those who are coming up to receive, and ready to make a discerning judgment.

But I know that in a long Mass I sometimes go on autopilot myself -- and I'm just a member of the choir in the back of the balcony, not up there in the sanctuary in front of God and everybody, trying to keep track of the priests and deacons and altar boys and how long the anthem is running and whether the ushers have any more people in the back . . . .

So he's probably not pleading guilty by reason of stupidity -- just distraction and inattention.

Besides, the way folks are in that part of the world, it might not be too easy to distinguish the provocative from the just plain odd . . . .

16 posted on 10/12/2007 1:46:31 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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Poor old guy.


17 posted on 10/12/2007 2:07:02 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("Is there any extra food around here anywhere?")
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If there ushers at the Mass, I would strongly urge the Archdiocese of San Francisco to ask such people, such as the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence to leave Mass because of their dress.

However, there should be posted on all churches the dress code required to attend Mass.

I have seen parishes in other parts of the country that forbid the wearing of shorts and other clothes that is inappropriate for Mass...

There is a Federal Law by which the Sisters of Indulgence can be asked to leave church -- it the FACE Act. Though it was passed to prevent people from denying entry into an abortion clinic, Reagan Republicans (and Reagan) put language in that makes it a Federal Offense to interfere with a Religious Service.

Certainly, the disruptive DRESS of the Sisters of Indulgence is something that needs to be addressed and handled by parishes...

19 posted on 10/12/2007 10:05:05 PM PDT by topher (Let us return to old-fashioned morality - morality that has stood the test of time...)
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His explanation sounds reasonable to me. I’m good with it.


22 posted on 10/13/2007 8:51:23 AM PDT by dsc (There is no safety for honest men except by believing all possible evil of evil men. Edmund Burke)
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Archbishop Niederauer's unacceptable apology

After causing grave scandal by administering Communion to homosexual activists who were mocking the Catholic Church, Archbishop George Niederauer of San Francisco has issued an apology Unfortunately, it is an apology that no discerning Catholic could accept.  In his column for the archdiocesan newspaper, Catholic San Francisco, Archbishop Niederauer claims that he saw no disrespect for the Eucharist when he celebrated Mass at Most Holy Redeemer parish on October 7. No one who has seen the videotape of that encounter can take that claim seriously.

The archbishop acknowledges that he noticed "two strangely dressed persons." That in itself is a grotesque understatement, apparently put forward to satisfy readers who have not seen the pictures. Niederauer goes on to say that he "did ot recognize either of them as wearing mock religious garb." Perhaps not. But he could not have failed to recognize that they were wearing garish costumes, clearly designed to attract attention and to make a point. And what was that point? Someone who stopped into Most Holy Redeemer parish after having spent the last several years on a remote desert island might not have been able to discern the purpose of this strange demonstration. But ordinary residents of San Francisco knew exactly what was going on, and the archbishop is taxing our credulity yet again when he claims that he was in the dark.

Most Holy Redeemer is a notoriously gay-friendly parish, in a hotbed of gay activism. Just a week before the archbishop's visit, the parish had hosted a competition among "the Bay Area's Most Delicious Drag Divas." Archbishop Niederauer himself disclosed that he had once ordered the parish administrator not to host an event for the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence, a militant group whose main purpose is to mock Catholicism. When he visited the parish, therefore, the archbishop must have been keenly aware of the likelihood that he would encounter homosexual activists in general, and the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence in particular. When these two demonstrators approached him in their bizarre attire, he should have known-- must have known-- what he was facing.

In his "apology" the archbishop says that he did not recognize the two men as members of the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence. But can he seriously expect us to believe that he did not recognize them as homosexual demonstrators? The archbishop's statement suggests that the protestors' main offense was membership in a group that mocks the Catholic faith. But whether or not they belonged to a particular organization, these two men were quite clearly challenging the Church by their presence at Mass, and especially by presenting themselves for Communion. The Church, in the person of the archbishop, failed to meet that challenge.

If Niederauer really did not notice anything unusual about the demonstrators, then he would have no reason to apologize-- except, perhaps, for being spectacularly obtuse. But even when he expressed his regrets about the incident, the archbishop failed to grasp the essential element of the scandal. "The manner of dress and public comportment of the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence is deeply offensive to women religious," Archbishop Niederauer wrote. That is true, but terribly incomplete. The behavior of these defiant homosexual protestors is deeply offensive to all Catholics. Far, far more important, it is deeply offensive to Jesus Christ, whose Body and Blood they desecrated with the archbishop's compliance.

A priest, and particularly a bishop, has a sacred duty to guard the Blessed Sacrament, to protect our Eucharistic Lord from disrespect. The archbishop's failure to carry out that duty-- and not the attendant public-relations brouhaha-- is the true scandal here. Personally, I can't accept Archbishop Niederauer's apology, because I cannot believe that it is candid or accurate. But it is not I to whom an apology is due.

35 posted on 10/13/2007 9:41:09 PM PDT by Coleus (Pro Deo et Patria)
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