Dance around the questions, dance around the facts....Magical Thinking, anyone?
Posted on 10/08/2007 7:49:32 AM PDT by colorcountry
Not only is Mormonism a Christian faith, it is the truest form of Christianity, said speaker after speaker on the first day of the 177th Semiannual LDS General Conference. LDS authorities were responding to the allegation that Mormonism isn't part of Christianity. Made by different mainline Protestant and Catholic churches and repeated constantly during coverage of Mitt Romney's presidential campaign, the claim is based on Mormonism's beliefs about God, its rejection of ancient ideas about the Trinity still widely accepted, and the LDS Church's extra-biblical scriptures. "It is not our purpose to demean any person's belief nor the doctrine of any religion," said Apostle Jeffrey R. Holland in the afternoon session. "But if one says we are not Christians because we do not hold a fourth- or fifth-century view of the Godhead, then what of those first [Christians], many of whom were eye-witnesses of the living Christ, who did not hold such a view either?"
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The day's sermons included many familiar themes, including the importance of faith, the need for pure thoughts and actions, avoiding pornography reaching out to neighbors and eliminating spiritual procrastination. Hinckley talked about the destructive nature of anger in marriages, on the road, and in life, urging Mormons to "control your tempers, to put a smile upon your faces, which will erase anger; speak with words of love and peace, appreciation and respect."
Perhaps Teflon FReeper-who-demands-posts-be-yanked hasn't seen it yet? (TFWDPBY)
Perhaps they are busy interpreting tongues?
If you cant see the reason why I posted, then look at the 2 previous posts before my initial one. It should be obvious to anyone not trying to start contention or dodge an in-depth discussion on the importance of works, as to why I posted what I did.
Let me make it plain, that you can't possible misinterpret. Faith in Jesus Christ and Obedience to His commandments (Works) are both required for salvation, neither is complete, without the other.
Now, care to address the next reference? Here, I'll help you out.
Matt. 5:16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.
Quite the contrary, Acts 11:26 tells us that Christian was originally applied as a synonym for "disciple of Christ."
A disciple (from the Latin discipulus, "pupil") is a student, follower, or adherent. The disciples of Christ were (and are) committed to following Jesus Christ and his teachings.
I too am committed to following Jesus Christ and his teachings, which makes me a disciple of Jesus Christ. According to Acts 11:26, that also makes me a Christian.
What an absurd accusation ... Catholics and Protestants believe in ONE God, rely SOLELY upon Jesus for salvation, and rely solely upon the Bible as God's Word. Moronism teaches polytheism, Jesus plus 'all that you can do' for salvation, and have proven fabrications as 'scriptures' they claim are given from God. Prove your slur, Mormon.
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“I too am committed to following Jesus Christ and his teachings, which makes me a disciple of Jesus Christ. According to Acts 11:26, that also makes me a Christian.”
Yes, but which Jesus Christ do you believe in Logophile??
The Jesus Christ revealed in scripture as begotten, not made -
eternally God, second person of the Trinity?
Or the mormon Jesus Christ, who was created as a spirit being,
wasn’t God, but a man, and became a god later??
This is where the “Christian” claim of mormonism fails. Not
the only place, but as good a starting point as any.
ampu
Do calm down. If you take the time to read my post you will see that there was no slur in anything I wrote.
In contrast, if you follow the links that aMorePerfectUnion provided, you will find slurs aplenty. The link tagged "List of Cults that Vary From Historic Christian Orthodoxy" pulls up a long list of "cults"; the second item on the list is "Roman Catholicism."
If you click on that link, you will find another list of links:
Roman Catholicism: Christian or Pagan? (8/97)
Roman Catholicism: General Notes (8/97)
Roman Catholicism: Is It A Cult? (12/01)
and so on. The titles are enough to give you a good idea of the authors' opinions of Roman Catholicism.
So you base your slur on a link at the original link, not on the site from which aMorePerfectUnion posted ... typical. Nice try at misdirect, but no soup for you.
The very same Jesus Christ whose ministry and teachings were recorded by Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. There is only one.
There was no slur or misdirection, at least not in anything written by me.
(1) Did you actually read any of the articles about Catholicism on the site to which aMorePerfectUnion linked?
(2) Do you agree with the characterizations of Roman Catholicism found on that web site?
sorry, I simply can’t believe you are being truthful,
but it seems you are avoiding telling what you really
believe - if you are a mormon.
Read some of them, yes. I do not need to agree with what someone writes about their perspective on Catholicism in order to believe what they write about Mormonism, which I’ve studied extensively. [I call the Pope ‘Holy Father’ in deference to his rightful title in Christendom as the ultimate servant to that body of Christians, yet I do not follow Catholicism.] But again, Mormon, that was a good try to divert and slur.
In that case, there is no point in continuing this conversation.
Do you agree with the statements of your brother DanielLongo when he says this:
The Church, since its inception in 1830, has made every effort NOT to be confused with American Protestantism. We are not a church born out of 4th century doctrine, but represent the Church as it existed in Christ’s day. The Church and the Gospel of Jesus Christ was restored to the earth in its fulness through a Prophet of God. Christ is at its head with Prophets and Apostles- as he said there would be. We hold the Priesthood of God and officiate in the Lord’s Holy House in ordinances that are eternal in nature- sanctioned and sealed by divine authority. We believe we existed with God as His literal spirit children before coming to earth. We believe God the Father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost to be three separate and distinct personages. There is much indeed in which we are different from Protestantism. There is never a time where we as a people have not celebrated Christmas. I don’t even know where you got that one from, unless of course you are confusing us with Jehova’s Witnesses.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1906549/posts?page=777#777
Could you please spell out where you have differences if any.
The writers of that site propose various criteria by which a "cult" (used in the pejorative sense) may be identified. According to their criteria, those writers identify Roman Catholicism as a cult, and pagan besides. Most reasonable people would consider that conclusion ridiculous, and therefore would doubt the validity of the proposed criteria when applied to other groups. That does not seem to bother you.
In other words, what the writers say about Catholicism may be nonsense, but that does not hurt their credibility in your eyes when they say bad things about Mormonism.
But again, Mormon, that was a good try to divert and slur.
I have done neither. The accusation does not become more credible with repetition.
You would do well to read your own words and apply them to the ridiculous Book of Abraham fantasy fabricated by Smith from an Egyptian funerary document fragment.
Dance around the questions, dance around the facts....Magical Thinking, anyone?
Well, I am not sure that the LDS Church has ever made much effort to avoid being confused with Protestantism—or ever needed to. Other than that quibble, I generally agree with what he has written.
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