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Posted on 09/24/2007 8:16:13 AM PDT by colorcountry
Being excommunicated for apostasy by the Mormon church is one thing, but Lyndon Lamborn is livid that his stake president has ordered bishops in eight Mesa wards to take the rare step of announcing disciplinary action against him to church members today. "I thought if he could go public, so can I," said Lamborn, a lifelong member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, who said his research into church history gave him "thousands of reasons the church can't be what it claims to be."
Stake President R. James Molina acknowledged Friday he intends to have Lamborn's excommunication announced to the wards at men's priesthood meetings and womens Relief Society gatherings, even with Lamborn now taking his case public. Molina, as well as officials at church headquarters in Salt Lake City, call such a public warning about an ousted member extremely rare. They say, however, church members must be protected from what discordant ex-followers may say to damage the church...................
(Excerpt) Read more at msnbc.msn.com ...
James 1:5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him. ... Notice how James doesn't say 'ask if something is untrue' or 'ask if it is not true.' Wisdom is not 'delineating what is untruth'; wisdom is knowing The Truth for to know The Truth you are freed from the untruth because it cannot stand in the light of Truth.
I have prayed the faulty prayer dictated to me by Mormon missionaries more than two decades ago, then I began reading the B of M. I got an 'answer' all right, a very negative one; not an answer directly tied to the truth or falsehood of the B of M, a very clear rebuke for asking something that has at its root the implication that God has not provided sufficiently for me a new faither in Christ Jesus. Satan used that trick with Eve, implying that God had left out something vital to Eve and Adam. It took a mature Christian to explain to me why I got a rebuke. Thankfully, he was there to guide me at a time when confusion was growing. Again I declare, at the root of Mormonism is the demonic lie that that which Jesus said would not be defeated by the gates of hell, was actually defeated for a season of approx. 1700 years, and in need of 'restoration' with a lying, adulterous, treasure divining false prophet who fabricated materials he claimed were 'from God' and even rewrote the Bible to try and fabricate prophesies of his 'coming in these latter days.' THAT great heresy that God has lost or left off something vital is the same lie sown by Satan in the Garden!
Mormonism Apologists will often try to counter the above assertion by pleading to look at the fruits of Mormonism in adherents of that religion. I have yet to read a Mormonism Apologist explain to me the difference between fruit of the spirit and fruit of the striving flesh. They can cite Bible verses which enumerate fruit of the spirit, but they haven't a clue how that is evidenced in contrast with fruit of the flesh striving 'to do all that they can do' to earn exaltation. It is a huge blind spot for Mormons ... they cannot fathom that good works are not fruit of the spirit so they strive to do 'the good works that God has ordained for us to walk in' but they accomplish all they can without the indwelling Holy Spirit as author of fruit so they believe they are acting 'godly' in their behavior cited as good fruit but is actually fruit of the flesh as show to pretend God is bring that fruit out of them.
Fruit of the Spirit is a very individual thing authored by the indwelling Holy Spirit as the transformational work Jesus taught us to comprehend through the teachings of the Apostle Paul whom He chose to unfold that great mystery! The natural mind cannot produce righteousness in the natural man/woman. The natural mind can imitate, but it cannot produce that which ONLY GOD can create. The Blood of Christ cleanses the human spirit throne of 'self' and then the Holy Spirit of God comes to reside there, transforming the one believing in Jesus by the renewing of the mind of the soul. [Jesus gave notice of this relationship of spirit and soul when he spoke of 'let the dead go bury the dead'.]
Faith is an action word, not static. I can 'believe' I have a truck in the driveway that will take me to the store, but until I pick up the keys, walk out to the truck and insert the key and try the engine, I have a 'not yet living faith'. James tried to explain the contrast in the letter he wrote. He failed because his mind was steeped in 'works of the law'. James failed to explain it as the entire rest of the Bible teaches because James himself couldn't release his mind from the 'authority of the law' --and the contrast is in the Bible for our edification, to show what is not the 'believed God and it was counted for him righteousness.' Faith is better understood by seeing it as 'to faithe', an action term.
ONLY the human soul with the Holy Spirit indwelling the human spirit will have fruit of the Spirit. Oh, it's no secret that lots of leafy show gets paraded out as 'fruit of the spirit', but there are no figs there so the showy tree is accursed; the truth in the Bible teaches that fruit of the spirit is individual and internal, first, then it flows out for the world to witness as that listed in the Bible. Jesus even illustrated this principle with a fig tree He cursed for not having fruit but lots of leafy show, with the parable of the lamps and oil, and the sower and the seed.
Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. Faith is a thing; faithe is a life being lived by direction form the source of Life. Deliverer faith is something, some One, Who comes in the minute one believes Jesus is the Christ and God has raised Him from the dead. Delivering faith is a day-by-day leaning upon the promise of God to transform the faither. Fruit of this transformation is first individually internal, then it manifests outwardly from the new 'flesh' (read self) God's Holy Spirit is gestating by His work; faithe is not 'all that we can do', it is all that He does in use to transform us. We are to submit, He will transform.
Why?
What is so ABOMINABLE about them?
OOOOooooh!
You got the GOOD number this time!
Your founder stated publically that the creeds were an ABOMINATION.
I merely want YOU to tell us, publically, just what is so ABOMINABLE about them.
He did NOT 'pass judgement' on YOUR faith, for NO reason.
He did have quite valid points about the FOUNDING of the organization; whose writings you believe.
Me too!
I'd add, however, that they should NOT get entangled in the TarBaby that the LDS organization has put forth.
I was thinking more of THIS fellow:
KJV Luke 18:10-15
10. Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.
11. The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
12. I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.
13. And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
14. I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.
Why?
Are they mutually exclusive?
Elsie, they are all online so that you can read them all you want. Why is it your business what the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints chooses to offer?
Have you called the 800 number and asked for them?
Where is the PICTURE??
Have you called the 800 number and asked for them?
If they are online, why would I want to be on a mailing list?
Ya still working up an answer for us about that ABOMINATION thing?
Notice where your limited quote of the scripture ends and the commentary begins. Are you trying to deceive people?
Perhaps not, but you and your sort only seem able to cite very limited verses to support your stances while the entirety of the Book of the Bible does not at all support you.
>>>To ignore this as a real possibility is to walk into a spinning propeller
What a visual!
For this experiment we will set a few parameters:
1) You can answer the question I'm about to ask of you with just a fingernail pressure on my arm or not; no other response will be considered your response.
2) You are not to compare my question or the substance of my question with anything I have said prior to this question, because someone may have misquoted me or left out something in a comment.
3) I have compiled a booklet of letters, some of which are from real people and some of which I have created out of my imagination.
4) You are restricted to only answering truthfully.
Here's the question to you: Is the pile of letters true?
Since God will only be truthful, asking of Him a question for which there is truth and untruth contined in the material in question, expecting His answewr to fit yes or no with only a 'burning in the bosom' or not is a design for demonic mischief, especially if one sees the fabrications of Smithism for the source from which they originate not being from God. One poster has tried to discount the rebuke I received by mischaracterizing it in various ways.
You are so knowledgeable, go ahead and cite it.
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