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Metropolitan Herman greets ROCOR Metropolitan Laurus on anniversary
OCA.ORG ^ | Article posted: 9/6/2007 11:59 PM | OCA.ORG

Posted on 09/11/2007 7:52:18 AM PDT by kawaii

Metropolitan Herman greets ROCOR Metropolitan Laurus on anniversary

Article posted: 9/6/2007 11:59 PM

SYOSSET, NY [OCA Communications] -- His Beatitude, Metropolitan Herman, sent a letter of greeting to His Eminence, Metropolitan Laurus, First Hierarch of the Russian Orthodox Church Outside Russia, on the occasion of the 40th anniversary of his consecration to the episcopacy.

The text of the letter, dated September 3, 2007, reads as follows.

"On this, the fortieth anniversary of Your Eminence's episcopal consecration, I extend to you, our brother and concelebrant, heartfelt greetings. Please also accept our prayers and congratulations.

"Your Eminence's long service in the vineyard of Our Lord, Jesus Christ, has been a model of dedicated and selfless service to the Holy Orthodox Church. The recent reestablishment of brotherly unity between the Russian Orthodox Church and the Russian Orthodox Church Outside Russia, which occurred under Your Eminence's primatial direction, was an historic moment of tremendous significance for the entire Orthodox world.

"We embrace you with fraternal affection in the love of Our Lord, Jesus Christ, and wish you abiding health and strength to continue your faithful archpastoral leadership."


TOPICS: Ecumenism; Orthodox Christian; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: oca; orthodox; rocor; russia

1 posted on 09/11/2007 7:52:23 AM PDT by kawaii
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To: kawaii

I pray that we’ll all be truly joined in my lifetime.


2 posted on 09/11/2007 8:05:48 AM PDT by MarkBsnr (V. Angelus Domini nuntiavit Mariae. R. Et concepit de Spiritu Sancto.)
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To: Kolokotronis; kosta50; FormerLib; Bokababe

orthodox ping


3 posted on 09/11/2007 9:31:15 AM PDT by kawaii (Orthodox Christianity -- Proclaiming the Truth Since 33 A.D.)
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To: kawaii; crazykatz; JosephW; lambo; MoJoWork_n; newberger; The_Reader_David; jb6; ...

Orthodox ping.


4 posted on 09/11/2007 6:08:58 PM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: Kolokotronis
All very good...really. Let’s all pray for the unification of the Orthodox churches and then all Christians...soon.

We are trying to start an Orthodox College Youth group at our college and one of the Orthodox priests (a convert) said we should not let any Copts or Armenians or Ethiopian Orthodox into our membership rolls....grudges (not in communion with) from the 5th century is it? or more significant?

5 posted on 09/11/2007 6:22:36 PM PDT by eleni121 (+ En Touto Nika! By this sign conquer! + Constantine the Great)
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To: eleni121

well if you’re praying with them then non canonical churches is something of a loaded question...

These folks are monophysites, they may not believe in the trinity the same way the Orthodox do, though I’d personally say if they’d have no problems reciting the Nicene Creed then by all means pray with them, if not I still think they’d make a useful contribution and you could pray separately.


6 posted on 09/11/2007 8:31:49 PM PDT by kawaii (Orthodox Christianity -- Proclaiming the Truth Since 33 A.D.)
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To: eleni121

Those groups are Monophysite. They did not accept Chalcedon, therefore, they are not valid.


7 posted on 09/11/2007 9:03:57 PM PDT by TexConfederate1861
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To: eleni121

“We are trying to start an Orthodox College Youth group at our college and one of the Orthodox priests (a convert) said we should not let any Copts or Armenians or Ethiopian Orthodox into our membership rolls....grudges (not in communion with) from the 5th century is it? or more significant?”

Why does it not surprise me that it is a convert priest who is making trouble? Maybe someday when I grow up I can be a holy legalist like so many of the converts! Given the heresy that many of those convert priests spout on such internet sites a Ancient Faith, I’d take their protests with a grain of salt, Eleni mou.

Relations with the Monophysites, at least among the Greek and Antiochian Archdioceses, are excellent with intercommunion occurring on the basis of economia. The theological reasons for this are that it may well be that the differences about the nature of Christ thought to exist in the past likely were more about words than “substance” (no pun intended).


8 posted on 09/12/2007 3:53:53 AM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: Kolokotronis; kosta50
Relations with the Monophysites, at least among the Greek and Antiochian Archdioceses, are excellent with intercommunion occurring on the basis of economia. The theological reasons for this are that it may well be that the differences about the nature of Christ thought to exist in the past likely were more about words than “substance” (no pun intended).

I hadn't heard that there was economia intercommunion with the GOA and AOA... is there consensus that they don't meet the bar of 'praying with heretics'?

I generally do consider these churches Orthodox, but I would describe the circumstances as something more than a grudge. As Kosta often mentions if these folks won't profess the Nicene Creed and the 4th Council there is a problem...
9 posted on 09/12/2007 8:09:55 AM PDT by kawaii (Orthodox Christianity -- Proclaiming the Truth Since 33 A.D.)
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To: kawaii; Kolokotronis
If the Monophysite churches claim that all their rejection of Chalcedon was a "misunderstanding" then let them proclaim the Creed and sign a statement that they subscribe to orthodox Christology, namely that Christ is fully God and fully Man.

But, I have a feeling they are trying to sneak their way back in through the back door without admitting that they were wrong (because such an admission invalidates them as a church) for 1700 years.

And, by all accounts, the Greeks are helping them, but in doing so they are not helping the Orthodox unity. Remember that those who associate with heretics are in danger of becoming heretics themselves.

There seems to be a lot of shady business in some particular Orthodox Churches, especially Middle Eastern ones.

10 posted on 09/12/2007 9:22:16 AM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50

” There seems to be a lot of shady business in some particular Orthodox Churches, especially Middle Eastern ones.”

Spoken like a true Slav! :)


11 posted on 09/12/2007 9:26:07 AM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: Kolokotronis; kosta50

Taking this back to an individual basis... if these folks would personally recite the creed would it make sense to accept them in an orthodox group or would it be better to simply accept them in but pray seprately from them?


12 posted on 09/12/2007 9:33:35 AM PDT by kawaii (Orthodox Christianity -- Proclaiming the Truth Since 33 A.D.)
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