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Maryland women feel compelled to join priesthood, despite opposition from RC officials
Carroll County Times ^ | September 10, 2007 | Diane Reynolds

Posted on 09/10/2007 11:40:04 AM PDT by NYer

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1 posted on 09/10/2007 11:40:14 AM PDT by NYer
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To: NYer

I just became a pro-football player. The NFL won’t recognize me, and I don’t get paid, nor will they let me play at their games. But I’m a pro-football player.


2 posted on 09/10/2007 11:42:21 AM PDT by SampleMan (Islamic tolerance is practiced by killing you last.)
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These females aren't priests, and they're not Catholics.
3 posted on 09/10/2007 11:43:38 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Lady In Blue; Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; nickcarraway; Romulus; ...
"We're anxious to have a new model of church ... one that is open and respectful of people."

Go for it! Start your own church; you won't be the first or the last but you won't be part of the Catholic Church, either.

4 posted on 09/10/2007 11:44:37 AM PDT by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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The women bishops performing the ordinations were themselves ordained by an Argentinean Catholic priest

Even if these fake "bishops" were men, then, they still would not be validly consecrated.

That's a double whammy.

5 posted on 09/10/2007 11:45:02 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that so many self-proclaimed "Constitutionalists" know so little about the Constitution?)
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Hilarious analogy - and think about it further: if there were self-declared NFL players like these self-declared “priests” they would be considered delusional stalkers.


6 posted on 09/10/2007 11:46:47 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that so many self-proclaimed "Constitutionalists" know so little about the Constitution?)
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Greetings. Our name is Napoleon. < snicker >

We are an Emperor. < snort >

You will bow, and walk backwards when leaving our Imperial Presence. < ROFL!!!!! >

7 posted on 09/10/2007 11:47:13 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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"We're anxious to have a new model of church ... one that is open and respectful of people."

Why not join the UCC.

8 posted on 09/10/2007 11:51:23 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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Even if these fake "bishops" were men, then, they still would not be validly consecrated.

Actually, that's not completely true. There is open debate (and there has been for centuries) whether or not in the very very very rarest of cases where grave necessity would necessitate it, that a priest could ordain a priest and/or consecrate a bishop.

Certainly though, this is not one of them.

9 posted on 09/10/2007 12:24:02 PM PDT by GCC Catholic (Sour grapes make terrible whine.)
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I thought that was decided in Japan. When the priests there died out, there was no bishop and the Japanese Catholics sustained themselves solely through baptism without a clergy for generations until the Church was able to provide them with pastors again.


10 posted on 09/10/2007 12:27:46 PM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that so many self-proclaimed "Constitutionalists" know so little about the Constitution?)
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Dear God this makes me so mad, but I’m being more tempered with sad at this same old crap. Because these women are hearing the voice not of God, but Satan, and they don’t discern it.

Listening to Fr. Corapi lately draws me to that conclusion. They have spent their entire lives seeking the Lord, and I just can’t figure anything else as to why they go down that path


11 posted on 09/10/2007 12:37:03 PM PDT by SaintDismas (.)
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I feel sorry for all the deception, both them deceiving themselves and their being deceived by Satan. In trying to please God they are pleasing Satan. May the Lord quickly bring them to a full knowledge of His power, righteousness, and love.


12 posted on 09/10/2007 12:58:35 PM PDT by Talking_Mouse (O Lord, destroy Islam by converting the Muslims to Christianity.)
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The Pope should excommunicate them immediately.


13 posted on 09/10/2007 12:58:56 PM PDT by flaglady47 (Thinking out loud while grinding teeth in political frustration)
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To: wideawake
I know that's what was done in that situation in Japan, but the issue was never actually settled. It didn't answer the question concerning the power of the priesthood as it exists in bishops and as it exists in priests and whether the difference between them is ontological, or if it is a matter of permission to exercise a power that both have.

I just happened to be discussing it this past weekend with a priest who is a canon lawyer. It sounds as though it's a fairly obscure issue within the Church. I had never given it thought before that point.

14 posted on 09/10/2007 12:59:01 PM PDT by GCC Catholic (Sour grapes make terrible whine.)
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To: flaglady47
On the one hand, full formal excommunication of any number of malefactors would be very satisfactory.

On the other ...

1) They're already excommunicated, by the very act of simulating and mocking a Sacrament.
2) These pathetic critters are a dime-a-dozen, now, and they don't seem to be fooling anybody.

15 posted on 09/10/2007 1:03:04 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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“They’re already excommunicated, by the very act of simulating and mocking a Sacrament.”

Not officially. If you leave the door open, more like-minded idiots will walk through it. Slam the door shut in their face. Excommunicate them.


16 posted on 09/10/2007 1:08:07 PM PDT by flaglady47 (Thinking out loud while grinding teeth in political frustration)
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Not officially.

The canon law on this is worth familiarizing yourself with. One can be excommunicated laetae sententiae (by the very act) as, for example, by participating in an abortion, profaning a Sacrament, or a variety of other things. Or one can be declared excommunicated ferendae sententiae (by formal decree) ... that's pretty rare. As I suggested, the latter would be nice for these critters; that's what you'r asking for. Some of the early female profaners-of-ordination, a few years ago, were formally excommunicated by the local bishop. Still, there can be little doubt that the former applies to them.

17 posted on 09/10/2007 1:15:01 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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18 posted on 09/10/2007 1:22:43 PM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: NYer
I am chef de cuisine of Grammercy Tavern in New York City. Of course, I've never cooked there, they don't pay me, and Tom Colicchio has never even heard of me.

Nonetheless, because I have declared it, so it is and shall be.

19 posted on 09/10/2007 1:27:09 PM PDT by Petronski (Cleveland Indians: Pennant -14)
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Yeah, great news story, just print the press release of the proponents. Sure makes the reporter's job easy though.

Here's where we get down to brass tacks:

She worked for years as a Catholic parish coordinator at an army intelligence base in Warrenton, Va., where she was the go-to person when people needed a minister.

She bonded with the 150-person congregation, but then had to step aside when a priest came in for a couple of hours a week to perform the sacraments, which are central to the Roman Catholic faith.

The split in functions didn't seem holistic to her. It seemed to make more sense that she be able to offer the sacraments to her flock.

(emphasis supplied, as they say). Pride as usual is at the bottom of this whole nonsense.

This outcome -- which seems all too common -- is an overwhelmingly convincing reason not to allow "Parish Coordinators". It encourages them in their delusions. The church needs to find another solution (although orthodox seminaries are going to fill the need in a few more years.)

20 posted on 09/10/2007 1:36:29 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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