THE TEN MOST COMMON LITURGICAL ABUSES And Why They're Wrong

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[ardara]

In my church they now include morning and evening prayers as part of the daily mass.Does anyone know if that is permissable?

[Convert from ECUSA]

That’s what I do. I will only get in the line where the priest or deacon are located. If I’m traveling and happen to end up sitting where the EMHCs (or eucharettes as I call them, since 99% seem to be women) are distributing, I let the other people on my row out and then return to my seat and kneel.

[bobjam]

Most abuses may be summed up in one word: irreverence. Ritualism, however, is an abuse of no less significance.

[Tax-chick]

I bet you don’t let your kids go to the bathroom during Mass, let alone during the Consecration.

Never during the consecration, although I've sometimes had to take a newly toilet-trained participant to the bathroom after Communion. Anyone over age 4 has to go before Mass and contain themselves until the end.

(Unfortunately, my husband's a bad example on this, as he is on the wearing of shorts. One can't have anything ...)

[Tax-chick]

Oooops, I meant “everything.” First-cup-of-coffee blues ...

[netmilsmom]

Millipedes!!!

Maybe I don’t want to move there.

[maryz]

That is my biggest bug-a-boo with the handholding.

I think mine is the frenzied preoccupation with appearances: "Hey, we're holding hands -- see how united we are!" "Hey, we're bustling around, 'helping' the priest -- that's active participation for ya!" "See! My hands are in the orans position -- everyone can see how holy I am!" "See us sit in a semicircle around the altar -- like kindergarten kids. We're a real community!"

There's a lot of superficiality in the information age. Appearances can, of course, be important, but I think there's a strong tendency to be immensely satisfied with just the appearance.

[Tax-chick]

The millipedes were in Texas. We have only ordinary buggies here.

[DungeonMaster]

This sure makes no sense to a non RC.

[Salvation]

Have you ever attended a Mass?

It might make a littlle sense to you if that were the case.

I invite you to learn more about the Catholic Church and the Mass.

PS. You can reply to me in the FReepmail tab.

[GCC Catholic]

The translation of the RSV was a joint work between Catholic and Protestant scholars. Orchard and Fuller, who were heavily involved in producing the Catholic Commentary on Holy Scripture in 1953 (one of the first scholarly commentaries after Pope Pius XII's Divinu Afflante Spiritu and based on the Douay-Rheims), also were involved in the translation of the RSV, and used it in the second edition of that same commentary in 1957. (I know, probably more information than you wanted.)

If I recall correctly, the RSV-CE meets the requirements set by Redemptionis Sacramentum to be used in the Lectionary, though I don't think anyone uses it.

The Protestant community by and large rejected the RSV in favor of the NIV translation or the existing KJV.

[netmilsmom]

Phew!

[Renatus]

The author was incorrect when he stated that communion by
intinction is not allowed. Cf. Sacred Congregation for Divine Worship, Sacramentum Communione: Instruction Extending Communion undeer both kinds (June 29, 1970) No.6
(DOL 270, no. 2115).

[maryz]

though I don't think anyone uses it.

I thought, based on what Fr. Neuhaus says (and has said in the past) that the USCCB insists on the use of the NAB.

Thanks for the clarification re the RSV.

[netmilsmom]

You nailed it, my FRiend.

The orans thing is sad for me. If I saw people doing it with gusto, it might be different (although in the liturgy this is a prayer posture reserved for the priest, unless it’s a LifeTeen or Charismatic Mass).

What I see is all the women, flipping their hands out and holding, while the men sheepishly turn palms up.
I had to laugh this weekend. There was a 50ish couple two pews in front of us. The woman had one palm up and held her husband’s hand with the other. The husband had his free hand clenched behind his back. Oh he was feeling prayerful!!

[GCC Catholic]

I thought, based on what Fr. Neuhaus says (and has said in the past) that the USCCB insists on the use of the NAB.

It's definitely only NAB here in the US (at least at the moment). I was thinking more about English-speaking countries outside of the US. I seem to think a lot of them use the Jerusalem Bible for their Lectionary.

Thanks for the clarification re the RSV.

No problem. Glad I could help.

[maryz]

The woman had one palm up and held her husband’s hand with the other.

LOL! Abuse multitasking! How efficient! Father, forgive them . . .

[JustMytwocents70]

>>How about all the attempted hugging during the “sign of Peace?<<

I had a woman give me a nasty look when she tried to grab my hand and I snatched it away. She said “we are supposed to do this”. I said “no where not! this is not alchoholics annoymous!” She rolled her eyes at me. I just said to myself “whatever”.

[netmilsmom]

Communion by intinction is allowed. We receive this way at my parish. THE PRIEST or DEACON only are allowed to distribute communion by intinction.

The author said this....
“The chalice cannot be left on the altar for people to pick up and drink from, not even during lightly attended Masses. The celebrant must distribute the Sacrament (United States Bishops’ Directory on Communion Under Both Species, 47). In fact, you’re not allowed to dip your host into the chalice; you have to take the cup and drink from it (DCUBS 45). “

So he is absolutely correct. Laity are not allowed to do the Oreo cookie dunk, nor pick up the challice (or glass wine goblet at some parishes *sheesh*) themselves.

[Salvation]

Let’s pray that Pope Benedict’s assessment of the NAB brings about a profound change in the ICEL translations. I don’t remember the exact words, but it was along the line of “abhorent”.